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Subject: [Leica] Problem with new to me M8
From: henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 15:05:49 -0800
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Hi Richard,

I don't have an E-3, but I have a couple of m4/3 cameras, and while 
they definitely produce images that I'm generally quite happy with, 
they fall behind the M8 images in a number of ways. Poor as the M8 is 
at high ISO, it's better than the G1, GF1 or EP1. The M8 files are 
also more forgiving both of over and underexposure; they just have 
more dynamic range. And, they hold somewhat more detail in spite of 
being 10Mb vs. 12Mb.

Since I profiled the cameras with Colorchecker Passport the colours 
from the Panasonics are significantly better, and equal to those of 
the EP1, but not quite as good as those from the M8.

So the M8 files are somewhat better in pretty much every category. 
Not a huge difference necessarily, but it's there. And then there's 
the handling and ergonomics. The M8 is still a Leica, and once one 
gets used to that most other cameras seem overly complicated with 
things getting in the way. That, of course is quite subjective.

M8 files certainly aren't as good as those from my full frame Canons 
with the best glass, but the difference there is not so much in 
actual detail as in the high ISO capability. The smudging that the 
noise reduction does is offset by the higher pixel count. Dynamic 
range is not that different.


>You may have a bum E-3 :-) Anyway, really, lets not get to THAT again,
>I think some Aussie is still mad at me :-)
>
>For my own pictures, my E-3 pics hold up quite well to my M8 pics. I
>have tons of Taiko and wedding shots that blow up to 16x20 quite
>nicely. YMMV.
>
>On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 1:14 PM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu> 
>wrote:
>>  Richard, I am certainly no uncritical Leica fan boy, and I have 
>>the E3 too and have shot lots of pictures with it...but since I got 
>>the M8 a year ago, the E3 has been relegated to backup duty. And 
>>every time I use it, such as during my 1 month while the M8 was in 
>>Solms over Christmas, I look at the images in LR and I realize that 
>>there simply is no comparison.
>>
>>  The GF-1 in good light can hold its own against the M8. The E3 cannot.
>>
>
>

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