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Subject: [Leica] M9 Internal IR-Cut filter make the camera fragile to use?
From: Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com (Frank Dernie)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2009 17:17:46 +0000
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Hi Steve,
the limiting factor in whether a lens "matches" the M9 offset microlenses 
and IR filter is the position of its exit pupil which, if I understand 
correctly, is a virtual point from which the image can be considered to be 
projected onto the sensor. It has been argued, strongly by Olympus in early 
digital days, that only lenses designed specially for digital, with exit 
pupil at infinity, were suited to digital sensors. Long lenses approximate 
to this anyway and clearly this is an exaggeration since it seems any wide 
angle lens designed for a reflex camera has a sufficiently distant exit 
pupil by the time it has been designed to miss the mirror. WA lenses for 
rangefinder cameras have their exit pupil much closer to the sensor, because 
they can, and for film this was no problem, coming up with a compromise 
which suits the M9 to the Leica lenses is what the offset microlenses etc 
are all about. I am sure the design of the M9 and its software are a good 
match for the 21mm f2.8 asph. The 21mm f4.5 Zeiss lens OTOH is almost 
symmetrical, was designed for film without taking these precautions and has 
very low distortion as a result, but making it unsuited to the digital 
sensor.
I am sure Leica lenses work fine with the M9, with the exception of those 
published in their literature.
Making the offset more would start to make the M9 unsuited to the longer 
lenses...
Some of the Zeiss and Voigtlander Leica mount lenses are unsuited to the M9 
but at the beginning Zeiss did not say so. AFAIK nor did Voigtlander.
cheers,
Frank
On 19 Dec, 2009, at 16:51, Steve Barbour wrote:

> 
> On Dec 19, 2009, at 2:46 AM, Frank Dernie wrote:
> 
>> My WATE works fine on the M9. I always assume a lens with an exit pupil 
>> extremely close to the sensor will be too extreme to be compensated, so 
>> the 15mm CV almost certainly won't work, though I took a few shots with 
>> my 12mm and it seems not bad, I preferred uncorrected. Depending on the 
>> subject the shortcomings may not be noticed at all. It was pretty obvious 
>> that the Zeiss 21mm f4.5 would be unsuitable for digital
> 
> I'm sorry Frank, I don't follow... why is that and does it apply to the 
> Leica 21/2.8 Elmarit ASPH on the M9....?
> 
> Does that apply to use with the appropriate external viewfinder?  
> 
> 
> 
> thanks, Steve



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