Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/10/31
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Henning, Yes, I know that everyone would rather complain than actually use their cameras. ;-) I'm outa here for the day, we're taking one last drive in the Coupe (Before I have to store it for the winter) and take some photos with the M8/R8DMR. Going up to Western Wisconsin for the day. Cheers & Happy Shooting, Gene -------------- Original message from Henning Wulff <henningw at archiphoto.com>: -------------- > At 2:59 AM +0000 10/31/09, grduprey at mchsi.com wrote: > > > >All this Bitching about the M8/9 viewfinder.... It works just fine > >as is, go out and take pictures and stop crying about the stupid vf. > > > > > Come on, Gene. You KNOW the bitching is more important than any > actual photos could ever be. It also takes more skill to do it well. > > > > > :-) OK. I'm outa here. > > > > > >Gene -------------- Original message from Henning Wulff > >: -------------- > > > > > >> At 4:36 PM -0700 10/30/09, Frank Filippone wrote: > >> >Hey, if you don't speak your mind, the status quo continues.... and > >> God > >> >knows, our beloved M8 cameras will be upgradeable forever......Right! > >> > > >> >Daniels has the company line to speak and repeat. He does so well. > >> Yes, > >> >the M8/M9 are .68 VF cameras. Does that make it a) right, b) customer > >> >driven, c) the only choice Leica had d) my or your choice? I don't > >> think > >> >there is history that says.. they could have, customers had no say, > >> not my > >> >choice or preference. YMMV. > >> > > >> >They did not do a higher mag VF for some reason.. what that real > >> reason is, > >> >is Leica's secret..... and they ain;t telling us. > >> > > >> >What I get upset at is the incessant statement that it can not be > >> done. Or > >> >that there is no one that wants a higher mag VF.,... I do. I liked > >> my M3 > >> >finder ... .91 and all that. Sure, it was useless if you had a > >>35mm lens on > >> >( without eyes) but it was a wonderful shoot with a 50......Both eyes > >> >open..... remember what is was like to not get a headache if you were > >> >following the action with your M3, with both eyes..... so that > >>you could see > >> >the action come into your frame? > >> > > >> > >> > >> > >> No. no. no. no. no. no. and no. Well, maybe for you. > >> > >> > >> A .55, so I can see the 28 frames clearly with glasses, and a .42, so > >> I can see the 21 frames clearly with glasses. > >> > >> I like the current M8/9 for 35's and above, but it's a bit too tight > >> for the 35 and almost right for the 50. Maybe a 0.8. > >> > >> But right now, if I could have one body that showed me 21mm > >> framelines, visible with glasses and another body that had the > >> current framelines I'd be delighted. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >Sure it can be done. They already did it... the .85 and .58 M6TTL > >> cameras > >> >are examples. Maybe you don't like the choices, maybe like me, the > >> M6 28 > >> >finder is not visible with glasses in a .72 body ( not easily, at > >> least), > >> >maybe they did it for time to market, stubborn Germanic marketing > >> theories, > >> >or otherwise. > >> > > >> >But don't blindly say it can't be done or that they will not do > >> it..... > >> >Market demand focuses efforts on the "impossible" and or stubbornly > >> >refused.....and the LUG is one way to getting the word to the uppers > >> at > >> >Leica that there is a marketing need that needs addressing..... > >> > > >> >A higher Mag Digi-M would pump demand for the longer lenses, like > >>the135 APO > >> >Telyt, make focusing easier and more accurate for the Nocti and > >> Summilux 50 > >> >and 75, and Summicron 75, and 90 lenses, all valid reasons ( the > >> main > >> >reason for the .85 M6) for a higher VF mag. > >> > > >> >If market demand created a White M8, then market demand can create a > >> higher > >> >mag M8., M9, or M10. > >> > > >> >Whatever happens, never lose sight of the power of the consumer to get > >> >products they want, onto the shelves.... > >> > > >> >Speaking of which.. the M9.... No IR filter required, no smaller > >> sensor.. > >> >all impossible, or so we were told..... > >> > > >> >Nonsense. Marketing nonsense. > >> > > >> >Want better low light response than an M8 or M9? Complain, > >> incessantly. > >> > > >> >It will come... So will my higher mag VF..... > >> > > >> >Frank Filippone > >> >red735i at earthlink.net > >> > > >> > > >> >Of course, there has also been "the final word" from Hans Peter Cohn > >> (no > >> >digital M) and Steven K. Lee (upgradeable digital M) on many issues. > >> So if > >> >you don't like what you hear on some issue now, wait for the next CEO. > >> > > >> >Dante > >> > > >> > > >> >Frank its been hashed over a lot elsewhere and the final word is > >>from Stefan > >> >Daniel. > >> > > >> > > -- > > * Henning J. 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