Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/10/30

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Subject: [Leica] M9 improvements
From: grduprey at mchsi.com (grduprey at mchsi.com)
Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2009 02:59:38 +0000
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All this Bitching about the M8/9 viewfinder....  It works just fine as is, 
go out and take pictures and stop crying about the stupid vf.


Gene  -------------- Original message from Henning Wulff <henningw at 
archiphoto.com>: --------------


> At 4:36 PM -0700 10/30/09, Frank Filippone wrote:
> >Hey, if you don't speak your mind, the status quo continues.... and God
> >knows, our beloved M8 cameras will be upgradeable forever......Right!
> >
> >Daniels has the company line to speak and repeat.  He does so well.  Yes,
> >the M8/M9 are .68 VF cameras.  Does that make it a) right, b) customer
> >driven, c) the only choice Leica had d) my or your choice?  I don't think
> >there is history that says.. they could have, customers had no say, not my
> >choice or preference.  YMMV.
> >
> >They did not do a higher mag VF for some reason.. what that real reason 
> >is,
> >is Leica's secret..... and they ain;t telling us.
> >
> >What I get upset at is the incessant statement that it can not be done.  
> >Or
> >that there is no one that wants a higher mag VF.,... I do.  I liked my M3
> >finder ... .91 and all that.  Sure, it was useless if you had a 35mm lens 
> >on
> >( without eyes) but it was a wonderful shoot with a 50......Both eyes
> >open..... remember what is was like to not  get a headache if you were
> >following the action with your M3, with both eyes..... so that you could 
> >see
> >the action come into your frame?
> >
> 
> 
> 
> No. no. no. no. no. no. and no. Well, maybe for you.
> 
> 
> A .55, so I can see the 28 frames clearly with glasses, and a .42, so 
> I can see the 21 frames clearly with glasses.
> 
> I like the current M8/9 for 35's and above, but it's a bit too tight 
> for the 35 and almost right for the 50. Maybe a 0.8.
> 
> But right now, if I could have one body that showed me 21mm 
> framelines, visible with glasses and another body that had the 
> current framelines I'd be delighted.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >Sure it can be done.  They already did it... the .85 and .58 M6TTL cameras
> >are examples.  Maybe you don't like the choices, maybe like me, the M6 28
> >finder is not visible with glasses in a .72 body ( not easily, at least),
> >maybe they did it for time to market, stubborn Germanic marketing 
> >theories,
> >or otherwise.
> >
> >But don't blindly say it can't be done or that they will not do it.....
> >Market demand focuses efforts on the "impossible" and or stubbornly
> >refused.....and the LUG is one way to getting the word to the uppers at
> >Leica that there is a marketing need that needs addressing.....
> >
> >A higher Mag Digi-M would pump demand for the longer lenses, like the135 
> >APO
> >Telyt, make focusing easier and more accurate for the Nocti and Summilux 
> >50
> >and 75, and Summicron 75, and 90 lenses,  all valid reasons ( the  main
> >reason for the .85 M6) for a higher VF mag.
> >
> >If market demand created a White M8, then market demand can create a 
> >higher
> >mag M8., M9, or M10.
> >
> >Whatever happens, never lose sight of the power of the consumer to get
> >products they want, onto the shelves....
> >
> >Speaking of which.. the M9.... No IR filter required, no smaller sensor..
> >all impossible, or so we were told.....
> >
> >Nonsense.  Marketing nonsense.
> >
> >Want better low light response than an M8 or M9?  Complain, incessantly.
> >
> >It will come... So will my higher mag VF.....
> >
> >Frank Filippone
> >red735i at earthlink.net
> >
> >
> >Of course, there has also been "the final word" from Hans Peter Cohn (no
> >digital M) and Steven K. Lee (upgradeable digital M) on many issues.  So 
> >if
> >you don't like what you hear on some issue now, wait for the next CEO.
> >
> >Dante
> >
> >
> >Frank its been hashed over a lot elsewhere and the final word is from 
> >Stefan
> >Daniel.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> 
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In reply to: Message from dstella1 at ameritech.net (Dante Stella) ([Leica] M9 improvements)
Message from red735i at earthlink.net (Frank Filippone) ([Leica] M9 improvements)
Message from henningw at archiphoto.com (Henning Wulff) ([Leica] M9 improvements)