Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/09/27

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Subject: [Leica] Better bokeh?
From: philippe.amard at sfr.fr (Philippe Amard)
Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 07:30:18 +0200
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More bokeh cron 50 and elmarit 60 takes here, plus various D-Leica, 
Ang?nieux and Oly flowers

http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/album368/Kenzonian+Bokeh+_1+sur+1_.jpg.html

This one is a fairly relevant example of the sharpness and flaws of the 
lens, I guess
http://gallery.leica-users.org/d/164790-1/FF-Iris-For+Missus-original-1090999-2.jpg

Hard to tell what bokeh means by the way.
Depends on what and how you want to shoot too.

Bien cordialement de Metz
Philippe


Jim Nichols wrote:

> Hi Jim,
>
> Yes, if you are referring to the yellow lily, I beleive it is typical 
> of the Summicron.  There is one other in the gallery, made with the 
> Summicron, that I feel is the best that I have achieved. The link is 
> below:
>
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rhody+by+Summicron.tif.html
>
> I don't think this lens will disappoint you.
>
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Laird" <digiratidoc at gmail.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 11:12 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Better bokeh?
>
>
>> Jim,
>>
>> I think the bokeh in your first Summicron image is superb. Is this
>> typical with this lens in your experience?
>>
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Yellow+Lily+2.tif.html>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 11:02 PM, Jim Nichols 
>> <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Prior to getting the Leica-R lenses, I was experimenting with some 
>>> Pentax
>>> Takumars that I had available. For pure OOF areas, I suspect that 
>>> the Taks
>>> were as nice as the Leicas. I got the Leica lenses because the in-focus
>>> performance is better than anything else that I have found.
>>>
>>> As to the different versions of the Summicron, I can't answer. IIRC, 
>>> mine
>>> is a 3-cam, with a retractable shade.
>>>
>>> Takumar bokeh:
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Fuchsia_Blooms_sm.jpg.html
>>>
>>> Zuiko 14-54 bokeh:
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Garden+Spider+final.jpg.html
>>>
>>> Old Hannimex 135:
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Ruby+Throat+Female.tif.html
>>>
>>> Another with 60/2.8 Elmarit-R:
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Watchful+Hummer.jpg.html
>>>
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Laird" 
>>> <digiratidoc at gmail.com>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 10:41 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Better bokeh?
>>>
>>>
>>>> Thanks Jim, those are outstanding images, but I'm not really
>>>> interested in how 'sharp' the images is but rather the juxtaposition
>>>> of the somewhat sharp to the absolutely out of focus areas of the
>>>> image. That's why I'm interested in which lens offers the best
>>>> 'bokeh'. Is there any difference in bokeh between the different
>>>> versions of the 50/2.0 Summicron 1,2, and 3 cam lenses? If so, which
>>>> offers the best, smoothest out of focus image. And will the famous
>>>> Leica 'bokeh' make a significant difference over my antiquated Canon
>>>> 50/1.8?
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Sep 27, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at 
>>>> lighttube.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> James,
>>>>>
>>>>> I am using the 50/2.0 Summicron-R, and the 60/2.8 Elmarit-R Macro. 
>>>>> The
>>>>> bokeh is fine at large apertures with both of them. The advantage 
>>>>> of the
>>>>> 60
>>>>> is that one can focus down to about 10 inches, though the DOF at that
>>>>> point
>>>>> is VERY shallow. The following images in my gallery might give you 
>>>>> and
>>>>> idea
>>>>> of what to expect.
>>>>>
>>>>> My first post using the Elmarit:
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Rose.jpg.html
>>>>>
>>>>> A similar post with the Summicron:
>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/OldNick/Yellow+Lily+2.tif.html
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim Nichols
>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "James Laird" 
>>>>> <digiratidoc at gmail.com>
>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>>> Sent: Sunday, September 27, 2009 7:18 PM
>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Better bokeh?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which R lens in the 'standard' range (50-60mm) has the best bokeh?
>>>>>> I've found an interest in the macro world and shoot a lot with my 
>>>>>> old
>>>>>> trusty Canon 50 1.8 with a Kenko 12mm extension tube resulting in
>>>>>> shots like
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/digiratidoc/Bokeh/>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm interested in trying out an R lens due to Leicas legendary 
>>>>>> bokeh.
>>>>>> Which one is the 'best', if there is such a thing?
>>>>>>
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