Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2009/08/13
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]The problem with the Olympus E3 I have is twofold. Firstly the AA filter is very strong, so much so that it can not be used for lens evaluation since it cuts out a lot of the sharpness information. The best Oly lenses are largely wasted on it. It is a well documented shortcoming, and something Oly have addressed on more recent offerings. It means MTF comparisons are pointless. The other was that the auto-focus on long lenses was hit-and-miss, many others had this problem with the long lenses. My old Canon d30 had a much higher hit rate on birds in flight. I really wanted to like the E3 since it is the only 4/3 camera I know with a nice viewfinder and I was a long time OM1 user. My main reason for trying it was the size and speed of the long lenses, I gave up on these. For "normal" use the E3 and lenses are no smaller or lighter than other formats, and I already had them. cheers, Frank --- On Thu, 13/8/09, Richard Man <richard.lists at gmail.com> wrote: > From: Richard Man <richard.lists at gmail.com> > Subject: Re: [Leica] M9 - not much more expensive than M8? > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Thursday, 13 August, 2009, 8:12 PM > Calm down Geoff :-) I am not leaving > the Church of Leica. > > I dispute the claim that the M8 pics are much sharper. Why > don't we > compare MTF charts :-)? The 35-100 is not the sharpest at > F2, but at > 2.8, it competes well. The 12-60 is stellar at wide open, > but of > course it's 2-4 stops slower than a 'lux. Blaming autofocus > errors > are.... unfruitful, as the Leica does not have autofocus. > So autofocus > on the M8 and adjust as needed. > > As for Colo(u)rs, sure one can tweak anything to look like > anything > else, and no, I do not shoot JPG, and no, despite some > questions I > have asked you, I am quite familiar with RAW etc. thank you > very much. > I know how to use preset on import etc. In anycase, out of > the box, > Olympus Colors directly from a LR/ACR default conversion > wins hands > down against just anything else.Yes, of course I can say > it's better > colors. If Frank and Nathan can say sharper pics :-) That's > one of the > things that Olympus really got right. > > In any case, enjoy your Leica lens. Really. I do of mine. I > don't see > reasons to use the E-3 unless I need the zoom or the tele > and macro > capabilities. So about 20% for me. I don't have tons of > gears per se, > only one 50, one 35, and one 75, but they are all 'lux ASPH > (except > for the 75 of course). I don't spend hours adjusting in LR, > except for > dusting when I shoot film. > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:04 AM, Geoff Hopkinson<hopsternew at gmail.com> > wrote: > > Aah Richard you need to come to terms with how Raw > files are converted. You > > cannot say that camera X or Camera Y produces > "better"' colour. You can say > > that Camera X ,using default conversion settings > produces files that please > > me more. that is perfectly valid bit is not an > objective assessment or > > comparison. You are describing the whatever default > conversion settings in > > whatever conversion software you are using, I think. > > Unless you are shooting jpgs! ?In that case I shall > be over to spank you > > shortly! Seriously this is a large subject of course. > Just to pick Lightroom > > or Adobe Camera Raw for examples, the default > conversion settings for M8 > > DNGs are quite conservative. They are only defaults. > ?The E3 appears to be > > an excellent dSLR in my limited handling of it and > files I have. However > > Nathan is indisputably correct. Your M8 and good Leica > glass will produce > > demonstrably better images than the E3 and the best of > the very good Oly > > lenses, all else being equal. > > I fear that 17 people will leap in with contrary > positions some of them > > perhaps based on criticising Leica or M8s on principle > or for entertainment. > > However, if you like to share some basics on your > current process, I'm > > confident that the subject is worthy and you should > end up better prepared > > to extract more from your new M8. You've only had it a > few days, trust me > > your horizons are going to get bigger! ?Define better > colour for you. More > > saturated, higher contrast? more natural appearing? > What colour space are > > you converting into? How are you comparing the output? > Computer screen? > > prints? Squinting at the LCD preview? What profile are > you using in LR2? > > Can I suggest that you choose one attribute at a time > , I mean focus is a > > separate issue for example, as is your exposure > technique. > > > > > > > -- > // richard m: richard @imagecraft.com > // w: http://www.imagecraft.com/pub/Portfolio09/ blog: > http://rfman.wordpress.com > // book: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/detail/745963 > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more > information >