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Subject: [Leica]1.4/80 prices in Germany
From: douglas.sharp at gmx.de (Douglas Sharp)
Date: Sat Sep 20 09:54:49 2008
References: <092020081405.22863.48D5032D000E40E70000594F219791336303010CD2079C080C03BF970A9D9F9A0B9D09@mchsi.com> <48D505C6.3030106@tele2.fr>

There's usually no VAT on second hand stuff in Teutonia.
Cheers
Douglas

Philippe AMARD wrote:
> If a non EU member - try the VAT off trick ;-)
> good luck
> phx
>
>
> grduprey@mchsi.com wrote:
>
>> Doug,
>>
>> Thanks for the info, The dealer who has it is asking $899, so I guess 
>> it would be a good price.
>>
>> Gene
>>
>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>> From: Douglas Sharp <douglas.sharp@gmx.de>
>>  
>>
>>> Gene,
>>> the latest Fomag lists in Germany quote 800 Euros for the 1.4/80mm - 
>>> means , depending on condition, dealer prices of anywhere between 
>>> 600 and 1600 Euros.
>>>
>>> The top price will vary according to what the dealer hopes to get 
>>> for it, the lower price is an absolute minimum based on what a 
>>> dealer clearing unsold second hand stock would ask, having given the 
>>> previous owner around 350 to 400 euros for it.
>>>
>>> In Germany, prices vary a lot depending on whether it is
>>> a) "Kommissionsware" (sold on commission, where the original owner 
>>> sets the price - haggling on the price means the dealer will call 
>>> the previous owner to see if he'll accept an offer)
>>> or
>>> b) a "Gelegenheit" (something taken in part exchange, with the price 
>>> set by the dealer - you can haggle directly on this price). The 
>>> advantage of the latter is that you get a 6-month or 1-year warranty 
>>> (if the dealer says less, he's acting outside German trading 
>>> regulations) this means that the store will take it back or have it 
>>> repaired for you if it turns out to be defective.
>>>
>>> For the former, you usually get a so-called "?oebernahmegarantie" of 
>>> a few weeks - this means test it and bring it back if its not OK to 
>>> get your money back.
>>>
>>> So-called "Demonstrationsware" or "Vorf??hrware" means it's stuff 
>>> that may have been lent out to good customers or just handled rather 
>>> a lot in the store - this would come boxed with full papers and full 
>>> Leica warranty.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>> Douglas
>>>
>>>
>>> grduprey@mchsi.com wrote:
>>>   
>>>> Mark,
>>>>
>>>> IT works just fine, and the M8 is the only camera I have here on my 
>>>> trip...     
>>> Foolishly or not, I have taken up Ted's challenge.  ;-)  Working 
>>> flawlessly so far, but sure wish I had a second one, so I would not 
>>> have to change lenses so often.  I keep trying to talk SWMBO into 
>>> letting me get another at Photokina, but so far she just smiles... ;-)
>>>   
>>>> I will also add my wife has brought the D200 for her use.
>>>>
>>>> A question... What is a good price for a used 80/1.4 Summilux R?  
>>>> It is not a     
>>> ROM version, but is in very good condition.  I am thinking of buying 
>>> it if the price is right.
>>>   
>>>> Gene
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>>>> From: Mark Pope <mark.teampope@ntlworld.com>
>>>>  
>>>>     
>>>>> Frank,
>>>>>
>>>>> A fair point, which is certainly valid with any software that 
>>>>> originates from Redmond...However,would you have made the same 
>>>>> comment if Leica had badged the software version differently? Say 
>>>>> 1.3 rather than 2.0x?
>>>>>
>>>>> I have downloaded the software, but haven't got around to loading 
>>>>> it yet but that's just me procrastinating rather than being reticent.
>>>>>
>>>>> I do have a concern about the apparent lack of a regression path 
>>>>> to 1.201, but so far I haven't heard of anyone turning their 
>>>>> beloved M8 into a paperweight.  I may give it a go this evening.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the best,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark
>>>>>
>>>>> red735i@earthlink.net wrote:
>>>>>          
>>>>>> I do not own an M8 nor any other digital camera of consequence.  
>>>>>> However I              
>>>>> find it incredible that ANYONE would upgrade to a new SW revision 
>>>>> on their camera on the first day it is available.  ( or computer, 
>>>>> or TV set or       
>>> whatever).
>>>   
>>>>>          
>>>>>> I believe you should allow others to bulk field test the SW, find 
>>>>>> any         
>>> faults,   
>>>>>>              
>>>>> and give the company a chance to fix it.  Then, and only then, is 
>>>>> it safe to downlaod the SW into my camera ( computer, etc.).
>>>>>          
>>>>>> Let alone a pro that depends on the thing to actually work to 
>>>>>> earn an              
>>>>> income.....
>>>>>          
>>>>>> Amazing.....
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Frank
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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>>>>> -- 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Mark Pope,
>>>>> Swindon, Wilts
>>>>> UK
>>>>>
>>>>> Homepage http://www.monomagic.co.uk
>>>>> Picture a week (2008): 
>>>>> http://www.monomagic.co.uk/index.php?gallery=paw/2008
>>>>>               (2007): 
>>>>> http://www.monomagic.co.uk/index.php?gallery=paw/2007
>>>>>
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