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Subject: [Leica] Lecia Street Photography
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Thu Jul 17 07:03:50 2008
References: <071720080016.20836.487E8F4C0008D7BE00005164219792474103010CD2079C080C03BF970A9D9F9A0B9D09@mchsi.com>

It is a grey area, Gene. French privacy laws are very strict.  
Basically, even for non-commercial use and even when the person  
photographed is in a public place, you are not allowed to publish  
their images (without their consent) if they depict the persons in a  
delicate situation of some sort (I think the language in the law is  
more like humiliating). So pictures of people smooching probably fall  
into a grey area. Recent French case law, as referenced here on the  
list yesterday, does seem to shift the balance somewhat towards the  
photographers.

Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
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On Jul 17, 2008, at 2:16 AM, grduprey@mchsi.com wrote:

> Nice set.  What makes them illegal?
>
> Gene
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: Nathan Wajsman <photo@frozenlight.eu>
>>
>> Illegal Paris images here:
>>
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/15.jpg
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/2003/2003_30alt4.jpg
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/2005/2005_10alt4.jpg
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/2005/2005_10alt6.jpg
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/2005/2005_10alt8.jpg
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com/paw/2005/2005_10alt9.jpg
>>
>> I am happy to break French laws every time I am in France. So far the
>> gendarmerie have not come after my web sites...
>>
>> Nathan
>>
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>>
>> Books: http://www.blurb.com/bookstore/search?search=wajsman&x=0&y=0
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://www.fotocycle.dk/blog
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 12, 2008, at 3:16 PM, Alastair Firkin wrote:
>>
>>> Dodge the trouble, smile and keep shooting: that will be my plan in
>>> Paris. 3 weeks to capture a brief glimpse of life in 2008. It will
>>> be fun. I don't expect to upset anyone, but I do believe in street
>>> photography as a way to record the life we lead.
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Alastair
>>>
>>> --- eboehmjr@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> From: "Eric Boehm, Jr" <eboehmjr@gmail.com>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Lecia Street Photography
>>> Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2008 08:30:11 -0400
>>>
>>> Alastair,
>>>
>>> Indeed, a sad state of affairs. My understanding is that in a public
>>> arena one can photograph people as they are. The resulting  
>>> photographs
>>> can be shown in the context of "art" providing they are not
>>> derogatory. And in my book, providing you do not make money off of  
>>> the
>>> print. Salgado's images can seel for 10K a pop. I doubt the subject
>>> ever recieves anything for the image. Same goes for National
>>> Geographic. There are no model release forms there either.
>>>
>>> Eric
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 2:51 AM, Alastair Firkin
>>> <afirkin@afirkin.com> wrote:
>>>> I must make a quick comment. Leica are calling for MASTER IMAGES
>>>> via the LFI. They want M8 DLUX CLUX images only, to "prove" how
>>>> good these digital marvels are I suppose. When you read the fine
>>>> print, you have to have model releases for anyone in the images:
>>>> Well perhaps the photography the M was good for is now no longer
>>>> viable. I can't imagine traveling in India and having to get
>>>> someone to sign a release.
>>>>
>>>> I'm going to Paris in September for 3 weeks: one of my aims is to
>>>> make some street images, but in France the rules are even stricter
>>>> I believe. Certainly 60% of HCB's work would not pass the Leica
>>>> Master image requirements. For children you would have to track
>>>> down the legal guardians. It seems a bit depressing to use the M to
>>>> take only animals, vegetables and minerals, and I suppose body
>>>> parts which cannot be identified.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers
>>>>
>>>> Alastair
>>>>
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>>>
>>>
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