Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2007/01/30
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Jim, Is there such a thing as a used Photoshop?. Is there a second hand market for it? Jerry Jim Nichols wrote: > Ric, > > I had considered that possibility. As far as I know, Adobe only sells > the latest, but there may be resellers who have the earlier versions. > I will look around. > > Jim Nichols > Tullahoma, TN USA > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ric Carter" <ricc@mindspring.com> > To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org> > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 6:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Leica] Elements 5.0 Versus Lightroom 1.0 > > >> Are early versions of Photoshop still for sale at reduced prices? >> >> This may be a lower cost substitute for some people. >> >> Ric Carter >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/ricc/ >> >> On Jan 30, 2007, at 6:31 AM, Peter Dzwig wrote: >> >>> Jim, >>> >>> my comments on PSE5: >>> >>> I upgraded to PSE5 a couple of weeks ago because of my desire to be >>> able to use levels. That was the single reason. Frankly it does >>> that in a limited way, but in my opinion the User Interface to PSE5 >>> is awful. >>> >>> UI: >>> >>> I say in my opinion deliberately because it is my opinion, but then >>> that is what UI design is all about, providing a good experience to >>> the user. To this user the UI singularly fails to do that. The user >>> is forced into a way of handling and storing my images which is >>> Adobe's way and not, probably the way that many users would want to. >>> >>> Several of the tools have been moved and the design of the sliders >>> etc changed. Previously they had been perfectly OK. If it ain't >>> bust... >>> >>> >>> Levels: >>> >>> FWIW I work entirely with TIFFs until I do something like putting >>> the images in the LUG gallery; as afr as I am aware all of these >>> comments apply equally to JPEG manipulation. >>> >>> Levels, or lack of them, has been for me one of the major >>> differences between PSE and PS. My workflow is based upon scanned >>> C41 B&W (BW400CN) images stored as RGB TIFFs. Generally I convert >>> these to B&W and then work on them as required. Levels is one of >>> the last steps one would go through. >>> >>> Unfortunately "adjust colour levels" - which is what you get - >>> requires a colour image, so you have to work entirely in colour or >>> convert a B&W image back to colour! The levels that you get from >>> the UI are then only adjustable at certain points via sliders, no >>> manual dragging of the curves. The preview seems to take a longer >>> time to react than I would have expected, but that is a minor >>> point. Finally you cannot save the output from a set of levels >>> adjustments independently of the image. In other words you can't >>> save the adjustments to import and re-use. >>> >>> PSE5 adds a number of features which are aimed at the digital video >>> capture market and at doing the sorts of things that I guess that >>> most LUGgers probably don't do; most of which aren't "traditional >>> photographic" manipulation. >>> >>> Gripes apart PS/PSE does enable you to do a lot which you couldn't >>> do in a darkroom and that is its strength. >>> >>> Peter Dzwig >>> >>>