Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2006/12/02
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]B.D, unless you are looking for a definition, (In my context "an obvious change of public opinion or political sentiment that occurs without leadership or overt expression") ;-), I guess you are asking on what I based my comment. I was referring to instances in the photographic press and on-line that I have read. On the LUG, for example, several people have mentioned that they are re-discovering medium format film. In our competition, a proportion is based on more traditional black and white images. In print articles, I have read a number of references to adding "grain" to images being manipulated in Photoshop. In Photoshop plug-ins I have noted the Alien Skin examples. Photokit, that I have, also has included this type of option. I imagine that there is some demand for this capability for these functions to emerge. Cheers Hoppy -----Original Message----- From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of B. D. Colen Sent: Sunday, 3 December 2006 12:45 To: Leica Users Group Subject: Re: [Leica] Re: Alien Skin Exposure What constitutes a "ground swell?" On 12/2/06 8:59 PM, "G Hopkinson" <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au> wrote: > Ted and Montie, perhaps I didn't express myself well. The digital/film > comparison is well worn. Mostly we understand that they are > different mediums. > My comment was that I am seeing some ground swell of preference for the > film > "look" for some purposes. I wonder if some of that > comes from the enthusiast photographers being conditioned for years to > expect > that film "look" so that it appears normal. > > Cheers > Hoppy > > > -----Original Message----- > From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org > [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of > Montie > Sent: Sunday, 3 December 2006 10:19 > To: Leica Users Group > Subject: [Leica] Re: Alien Skin Exposure > > Well put Ted! Instead of one better than the other, it's what > you're comfortable with. I'm strictly a film shooter because > that's what I'm comfortable with and that's what I like. Bear > in mind, I retired from pro shooting in "92" at age 42 (military) > so I have no real need or desire, at present, to switch. > > If I were a working pro today (regardless of where) I would switch > or sink...period. Digital capture is a fact of life and will only improve. > But now, as a lazy Fine Artist ;-) with loads of time, my MP and > a few chunks of Leitz Glass (along with an occasional Nikkormat > FTN) is all I want or need. OK, maybe I'll pick up a used Rapid > M eventually ;-) My hat goes off to people on this list who are > comfortable with and have mastered both!! > > Montie > ----------- > >>> Hoppy asked: >>>> But I am the only one here struck by the incongruence of working to make >>>> digital images look just like film?<<< > >>> Ted wrote: > Hoppy mon ami, > A most interesting question indeed! I don't understand why one would add > extra time doing this particularly when the digital reproductions look so > magnificent! > > I shot a moment the other day with the M8, quite a simple photo @ ASA 160 > of > a couple of young women with a digital doing one of those self portrait > things pointing the camera at themselves. And I wouldn't trade my M8 > exposure, the look, nor printed re-production for anything using the most > expensive and fine grained film in the world! > > Digital is digital and if one is into it, then get a completely digital > life > and get on with it! Is one not some kind of masochist by making their > images > look like film? I can see doing the film look if digital gave ugly results, > but for my money digital produces beautiful prints the likes one can't do > in > the dark room no matter how many years they've had their hands in the soup, > stop bath and fixer! > > On top of that they are two different things.... film is film and produces > one thing, film images and prints. Digital produces it's type of image and > print so why bother to make changes! Particularly when both are so > beautiful > when well done. Do they look the same? Nope, but does a Ford look like a > Mercedes? But they both have 4 wheels, go some place and are beautiful in > the eye of the beholder! > > Just leave all this "old life of film" behind where it belongs. Sure one > can > miss the film, the darkroom, the smells, cutting, sleeving, editing > contacts > and swishing your hands and paper in the chemicals. But if you've gone > digital get a life and accept it! > > If one changes to digital, then accept it whole heartedly and get on with > life! Leave the past behind and enjoy the memories but there's no need to > create more time in front of a computer screen when you could have far more > fun and enjoyment out taking pictures! > > The really bottom line is.... this software film looking effect? Does it > make it a better photograph than what you experienced in your motivational > heart when you went "CLICK?" Not bloody likely! > > ted > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information _______________________________________________ Leica Users Group. See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information