[Leica] Re: Alien Skin Exposure

[bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen)]

What constitutes a "ground swell?"


On 12/2/06 8:59 PM, "G Hopkinson" <hoppyman@bigpond.net.au> wrote:

> Ted and Montie, perhaps I didn't express myself well. The digital/film
> comparison is well worn. Mostly we understand that they are
> different mediums.
> My comment was that I am seeing some ground swell of preference for the 
> film
> "look" for some purposes. I wonder if some of that
> comes from the enthusiast photographers being conditioned for years to 
> expect
> that film "look" so that it appears normal.
> 
> Cheers
> Hoppy
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+hoppyman=bigpond.net.au@leica-users.org] On Behalf Of
> Montie
> Sent: Sunday, 3 December 2006 10:19
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: [Leica] Re: Alien Skin Exposure
> 
> Well put Ted!  Instead of one better than the other, it's what
> you're comfortable with.  I'm strictly a film shooter because
> that's what I'm comfortable with and that's what I like. Bear
> in mind, I retired from pro shooting in "92" at age 42 (military)
> so I have no real need or desire, at present, to switch.
> 
> If I were a working pro today (regardless of where) I would switch
> or sink...period.  Digital capture is a fact of life and will only improve.
> But now, as a lazy Fine Artist ;-) with loads of time, my MP and
> a few chunks of Leitz Glass (along with an occasional Nikkormat
> FTN) is all I want or need. OK, maybe I'll pick up a used Rapid
> M eventually ;-)  My hat goes off to people on this list who are
> comfortable with and have mastered both!!
> 
> Montie
> -----------
> 
>>> Hoppy  asked:
>>>> But I am the only one here struck by the incongruence of working to make
>>>> digital images look just like film?<<<
> 
>>> Ted wrote:
> Hoppy mon ami,
> A most interesting question indeed! I don't understand why one would add
> extra time doing this particularly when the digital reproductions look so
> magnificent!
> 
> I shot a moment the other day with the M8, quite a simple photo @ ASA 160 
> of
> a couple of young women with a digital doing one of those self portrait
> things pointing the camera at themselves. And I wouldn't trade my M8
> exposure, the look, nor printed re-production for anything using the most
> expensive and fine grained film in the world!
> 
> Digital is digital and if one is into it, then get a completely digital 
> life
> and get on with it! Is one not some kind of masochist by making their 
> images
> look like film? I can see doing the film look if digital gave ugly results,
> but for my money digital produces beautiful prints the likes one can't do 
> in
> the dark room no matter how many years they've had their hands in the soup,
> stop bath and fixer!
> 
> On top of that they are two different things.... film is film and produces
> one thing, film images and prints.  Digital produces it's type of image and
> print so why bother to make changes! Particularly when both are so 
> beautiful
> when well done. Do they look the same? Nope, but does a Ford look like a
> Mercedes? But they both have 4 wheels, go some place and are beautiful in
> the eye of the beholder!
> 
> Just leave all this "old life of film" behind where it belongs. Sure one 
> can
> miss the film, the darkroom, the smells, cutting, sleeving, editing 
> contacts
> and swishing your hands and paper in the chemicals. But if you've gone
> digital get a life and accept it!
> 
> If one changes to digital, then accept it whole heartedly and get on with
> life! Leave the past behind and enjoy the memories but there's no need to
> create more time in front of a computer screen when you could have far more
> fun and enjoyment out taking pictures!
> 
> The really bottom line is.... this software film looking effect? Does it
> make it a better photograph than what you experienced in your motivational
> heart when you went "CLICK?" Not bloody likely!
> 
> ted
> 
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