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Subject: NOW: Alienbees vs Brocolor was Re: [Leica] success! but help!
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Sat Nov 4 11:37:58 2006
References: <82c9dd70611031216h75f22b51n29a9e50516b32090@mail.gmail.com> <454BB28B.4000505@waltjohnson.com> <396618DF-87F5-463A-BC8D-46B0D02D7080@pandora.be> <454BC2C6.7050100@waltjohnson.com> <A3F1644B-CA92-40BE-A4D3-C3C7A0B5FFC3@pandora.be> <454BF201.8030205@waltjohnson.com> <8E66F33A-8C7C-4BF1-8C35-76CBC2BDD044@pandora.be>

I'd rather shoot food anyway....Always desert after the job is finished. 
:-P
Philippe Orlent wrote:

> Thanks, Walt. We indeed interpreted it differently. And 'food' seems  
> also a good theme ffor the LUG contest.
> Philippe
>
>
>
> Op 4-nov-06, om 02:50 heeft Walt Johnson het volgende geschreven:
>
>> Philippe
>>
>> I thought we were talking about copy work with the artists prints  
>> being copied. Most of the artists I've done this type of work for  
>> are extremely particular. Color must be right and the horizontals  
>> and verticals must be straight. If they aren't you might have to  
>> crop into the body of the work. Food shots or any subject not  
>> hanging on the wall are a whole different ballgame. I have always  
>> shot my copy work at f 5.6 or f 8.0. That is the aperture giving  the 
>> best definition, corner to corner, on most 35mm lenses. Maybe  some 
>> kind of food shot might be a good subject for a monthly contest?
>>
>> Walt.
>>
>> Philippe Orlent wrote:
>>
>>> I do a lot of simple pack shots for certain graphic work this way.  
>>> PS  gives me the latitude I need in that case.
>>> Cheap, fast, simple, effective. Perfect for high pace work that  
>>> needs  at least a bit of a 'look'. Tilting the camera (so no real  
>>> top or  front top shot) combined with wide open diafragm give  
>>> beautiful DOF.  A bit as food is shot today. See f.i. http:// 
>>> users.pandora.be/jean- pierre-wybauw/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Op 3-nov-06, om 23:29 heeft Walt Johnson het volgende geschreven:
>>>
>>>> Where time and money are changing hands I'd be reluctant to  count  
>>>> on Mother Nature. In doing copy work simple but beautiful  is no  
>>>> substitute for even and controlled. The idea would be to  select a  
>>>> good location, set up your camera and lights and be  able to  
>>>> efficiently  repeat yourself  till all is shot. A tripod  is very  
>>>> necessary for this. The shooting situation you mentioned  would be  
>>>> perfect for beautiful and casual images. Love window  light.
>>>>
>>>> Walt
>>>>
>>>> Philippe Orlent wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> How about photographing them on a simple sheet of paper next to  
>>>>> a   north facing window on a clouded day? Add a reflection  screen 
>>>>> on  the  other side and you'll have simple but beautiful  light.
>>>>> An incident light meter will give you the proper exposure, and  
>>>>> a   tripod stability if necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> Or is this just too easy thinking?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Op 3-nov-06, om 22:20 heeft Walt Johnson het volgende geschreven:
>>>>>
>>>>>> As has been mentioned, the Broncolors are specially costly.  
>>>>>> Back  in  the eighties I carried a couple of White Lightnings  
>>>>>> all over  the  southeast. Great units.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Walt
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've never used flash for flat copy work but that doesn't mean   
>>>>>> it  won't work. Of course, the easy way might be to set them  up  
>>>>>> and use  high watt bulbs for the modeling lights and no  flash.  
>>>>>> Want to make  sure what you see is what you get with  this kind 
>>>>>> of  endeavor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Eric Korenman wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have had no trouble with my 2 alienbess units - an 800 and  a  
>>>>>>> 1600.
>>>>>>> Both perform beautifully and were cheap (compared to my  
>>>>>>> Friend   Broncolor
>>>>>>> setup).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> He (a salty pro) claims there is 'something special' about    
>>>>>>> broncolor light.
>>>>>>> I think he looks down his nose and my cheap and slightly  
>>>>>>> garish   alienbees.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any truth to Broncolor light being that 'special'?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Eric
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 11/3/06, Gary Todoroff <datamaster@northcoastphotos.com>  wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dittoes on the White Lightening customer service. Nice folks  
>>>>>>>> on  the
>>>>>>>> phone, fast turn-around and perfect repairs!
>>>>>>>> Gary Todoroff
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> >As far as Alien Bees go...they are pretty nice units, but  
>>>>>>>> the  best
>>>>>>>> >thing is their customer service.  Paul Buff is about 8  
>>>>>>>> miles   from my
>>>>>>>> house.
>>>>>>>> >On the times I have had problems they have worked with me  to  
>>>>>>>> get my
>>>>>>>> >White Lightnings back up and running very quickly.  Paul  
>>>>>>>> gave  me a
>>>>>>>> >tour one day, nice facility, nice people, GREAT customer
>>>>>>>> >service.  There may be better lights out there, but my   
>>>>>>>> experiences
>>>>>>>> >with them are the reason I keep using their products.
>>>>>>>> >
>>>>>>>> >--
>>>>>>>> >Harrison McClary
>>>>>>>>
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