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Subject: [Leica] Re:M8 DNG vs DMR DNG
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Sat Nov 4 06:34:25 2006
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Alastair

One of the things I've notices on the list is people talking about jpgs. 
I was under the impression they were a  compression formula only 
suitable for some things. Information lost when opened, modified and 
then closed and then reopened. I've always scanned and saved as tiffs 
which to me is a raw (?) file.  Don't get me wrong, jpgs are fine for 
looking at online (computer screens) but not whet one wants to print for 
quality. I've been surprised when seeing digital cams using that format 
to compress space and give the impression of vast storage. Wonder how 
many gigs one could squeeze onto a frame of Fuji 50? :-)

Walt

Alastair Firkin wrote:

> Walt,
> I'm not sure completely why, but the files from the DMR are in  
> "general" better than the files I can get from the best Nikon 5000  
> scanner from slide film: this may not be true in the number of  
> pixels, but it seems to be true in what I could call "tissue  
> contrast" ie you get more range from the digital chain than from the  
> hybrid one
>
> Cheers
> On 04/11/2006, at 13:57, Walt Johnson wrote:
>
>> Ted
>>
>> I am curious as to one thing. While most of this arcane jargon is  
>> familiar to me does any of it make better images? Are any of the  
>> images ( and I am including long-time pro shooters in this) better  
>> with digital? Damn, I got PS a long, long time back. Love using it  
>> and don't miss a darkroom at all, even though I spend years in  them. 
>> My M6's become digital when I scan the films. Scan the darn  film and 
>> save as tiffs. Would it be better to shoot with an M8 and  save as 
>> raw. Will an M8 at max performance give better quality than  a M6 
>> with a roll of Velvia?
>>
>> Aside from the immediate gratification of looking at the images as  
>> you go along I'd guess the M6/Velvia/AdobePS has quite an edge.  Both 
>> in the end result and the effective cost. $5000 for a freaking  body 
>> strikes me as a bean counters delight. I've been on a lot of  
>> assignments over the years and had to repair equipment on return. A  
>> bag full of M8s could finance a hell of a retirement, to your own  
>> Island. :-)                                       One other  
>> thing.....Would you be a bit bothered by having a nice 50 1.4  
>> Summilux which has to loose some of its usefulness when put on an  
>> M8. Or  worse, a 21 2.8 ASPH?
>>
>> I don't know the answers but certainly have the questions. Am I  just 
>> old and set in my ways, much like many of the seniors were  when I 
>> got started in the biz?
>>
>> Walt
>>
>> Ted Grant wrote:
>>
>>> Harrison McClary offered:
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Re:M8 DNG vs DMR DNG
>>>
>>>>>> All of this is confusing, scary and very frustrating at times,  
>>>>>> but it is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> what we do now.  No longer does it suffice to just be a  
>>>> photographer.  Now you have to know at least a little more than a  
>>>> passing familiarity with a computer, FTP, file formats and all  
>>>> such things.  Is enough to make your ears bleed at times. LOL<<<<
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Harrison me old son,
>>> Bleeding ears I could handle, but all this changing back and forth  
>>> with all these digital thingies hardly gives one a chance to learn  
>>> one, when all of a sudden it's a whole new situation and yer back  
>>> to square one wondering what the hell did I do to have to cope  with 
>>> all this confusing stuff!
>>>
>>> I suppose each company is trying to grab the high ground,  therefore 
>>> forcing everyone to conform to their software or  whatever, instead 
>>> of all the companies getting together and stop  being greedy and 
>>> accept a world standard of parameters everyone  can live with.
>>>
>>> It would be quite a bit simpler for folks like myself and I'm sure  
>>> I'm not the only old guy standing on the street as life is  whizzing 
>>> by.:-(  And quite frankly making some of us feel as  stupid as a 
>>> brick!:-(
>>>
>>> I had the very good fortune a week ago while I in Boston, to have  
>>> lessons from B.D. on RAW and why it's far better than shooting  
>>> everything on JPEG.
>>>
>>> He and Tina have been on my case for some time to go RAW and I'm  
>>> finally convinced to give it ago as soon as I get this  
>>> International Skate Canada assignment out of the way in a few  days. 
>>> I must confess being back-up to my son is quite a change  indeed. 
>>> :-) But I love him and his talent,  so it's no big deal!  He'll save 
>>> my ass in any event as he needs no back-up. :-)
>>>
>>> My first day's reaction shooting these flying figure skaters was,  
>>> "Damn I used to be good!" ;-) Where in the good old days I would  
>>> jokingly say to myself screening slides ... "Damn I'm good!" That  
>>> on the occasion when I got really lucky and had a good one! ;-)
>>>
>>> WOW! The last time I shot figure skating was at the Winter  Olympics 
>>> in Albertville , France 1992!
>>> Jeeeesh what a long-time ago that was..... What's worse...  
>>> "Jeeeeeesh how slow I've become!" :-(
>>>
>>> Just another nail in the coffin......." it ain't like you were!" :-(
>>>
>>> ted
>>>
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Replies: Reply from harrison at mcclary.net (Harrison McClary) ([Leica] Re:M8 DNG vs DMR DNG)
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Message from firkin at ncable.net.au (Alastair Firkin) ([Leica] Re:M8 DNG vs DMR DNG)