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Subject: [Leica] Bryn Mawr, PA
From: walt at waltjohnson.com (Walt Johnson)
Date: Mon Oct 2 17:19:46 2006
References: <C1471EA5.16547%bd@bdcolenphoto.com>

Mea Culpa

And who scans slides on a desktop? Not to one-up you old sport but I 
bought my first Pentax (Asahi) in Vietnam for 35 bucks, circa 1966.

B. D. Colen wrote:

>Hi, Wee Wally. I think you may be missing a wee point; I did NOT say that
>he'd get better images with digital - although I think he would. And I did
>NOT say he shouldn't shoot film - I'd never say that. What I said was that
>scanning a slide on an Epson desk top scanner, and comparing your results to
>what your eye sees in a slide, says absolutely nothing about whether digital
>"capture," which I consider shooting an image with digital, using a
>full-frame high end digital camera, does or doesn't compare favorably with
>film. That's all. I still have - and have on my website - film images shot
>with a pre-K1000 Pentax. ;-)
>
>
>On 10/2/06 6:32 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:
>
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>>B.D.
>>
>>Sorry old pal but this is beginning to sound like hokee bokee to me. I
>>can buy a 25 year old Pentax K1000 for $125. How much will it cost me to
>>move into the "real world" with the Canon? My Pentax K1000 will be hard
>>to beat, especially if I pay attention to image content.
>>
>>Wee Wally Winkle
>>
>>B. D. Colen wrote:
>>
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>>>I'm sure you realize, Phil, that the fact that your scans of your slides
>>>aren't up to the quality you see in your slides doesn't prove anything -
>>>except that your 4490 scanner (hardly the be-all and end-all in scanning)
>>>combined with your scanning skills can't produce scans that are the same 
>>>as
>>>what your eyes see in the slides. Before you can say that the "50 year old
>>>technology still trumps digital capture," perhaps you should compare 
>>>digital
>>>capture to the 50-year-old technology - because, of course, there is 
>>>nothing
>>>in your post about digital capture:
>>>Put a full-frame digital SLR - say the Canon EOS1DS MkII on a tripod, next
>>>to whatever film camera you're taking. Shoot the same scene, with the same
>>>lens, and equivalent exposures - after you've calibrated for the camera's
>>>sensor, make adjustments in Photoshop, because of course you'll be 
>>>shooting
>>>RAW and the image will need sharpening and the same kind of contrast
>>>adjustment the film gives the scene, and then begin to make comparisons.
>>>
>>>It's great that you're happy with the "50 year-old-technology;" but 
>>>please,
>>>let's talk real comparisons if you're going to make comparisons. ;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>On 10/2/06 2:47 PM, "Philip Forrest" <photo.forrest@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>Here are a few scans of some Velvia 100 I shot out in Bryn Mawr, PA 
>>>>earlier
>>>>this spring with Jim Shulman.  My Epson 4490 just doesn't have the 
>>>>dynamic
>>>>range of the chromes themselves.  I would have to do multiple scans 
>>>>weighted
>>>>towards each color channel in order to get the incredible amount of
>>>>saturation that the film shows.  One more reason why 50 year old 
>>>>technology
>>>>still trumps digital capture.  Not that I don't like digital, I just 
>>>>don't
>>>>love it like my Velvia.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_04E.jpg
>>>>
>>>>http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_03E.jpg
>>>>
>>>>http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_02E.jpg
>>>>
>>>>http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_01E.jpg
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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