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Subject: [Leica] Bryn Mawr, PA
From: bd at bdcolenphoto.com (B. D. Colen)
Date: Mon Oct 2 16:53:16 2006

Hi, Wee Wally. I think you may be missing a wee point; I did NOT say that
he'd get better images with digital - although I think he would. And I did
NOT say he shouldn't shoot film - I'd never say that. What I said was that
scanning a slide on an Epson desk top scanner, and comparing your results to
what your eye sees in a slide, says absolutely nothing about whether digital
"capture," which I consider shooting an image with digital, using a
full-frame high end digital camera, does or doesn't compare favorably with
film. That's all. I still have - and have on my website - film images shot
with a pre-K1000 Pentax. ;-)


On 10/2/06 6:32 PM, "Walt Johnson" <walt@waltjohnson.com> wrote:

> B.D.
> 
> Sorry old pal but this is beginning to sound like hokee bokee to me. I
> can buy a 25 year old Pentax K1000 for $125. How much will it cost me to
> move into the "real world" with the Canon? My Pentax K1000 will be hard
> to beat, especially if I pay attention to image content.
> 
> Wee Wally Winkle
> 
> B. D. Colen wrote:
> 
>> I'm sure you realize, Phil, that the fact that your scans of your slides
>> aren't up to the quality you see in your slides doesn't prove anything -
>> except that your 4490 scanner (hardly the be-all and end-all in scanning)
>> combined with your scanning skills can't produce scans that are the same 
>> as
>> what your eyes see in the slides. Before you can say that the "50 year old
>> technology still trumps digital capture," perhaps you should compare 
>> digital
>> capture to the 50-year-old technology - because, of course, there is 
>> nothing
>> in your post about digital capture:
>> Put a full-frame digital SLR - say the Canon EOS1DS MkII on a tripod, next
>> to whatever film camera you're taking. Shoot the same scene, with the same
>> lens, and equivalent exposures - after you've calibrated for the camera's
>> sensor, make adjustments in Photoshop, because of course you'll be 
>> shooting
>> RAW and the image will need sharpening and the same kind of contrast
>> adjustment the film gives the scene, and then begin to make comparisons.
>> 
>> It's great that you're happy with the "50 year-old-technology;" but 
>> please,
>> let's talk real comparisons if you're going to make comparisons. ;-)
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/2/06 2:47 PM, "Philip Forrest" <photo.forrest@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>> Here are a few scans of some Velvia 100 I shot out in Bryn Mawr, PA 
>>> earlier
>>> this spring with Jim Shulman.  My Epson 4490 just doesn't have the 
>>> dynamic
>>> range of the chromes themselves.  I would have to do multiple scans 
>>> weighted
>>> towards each color channel in order to get the incredible amount of
>>> saturation that the film shows.  One more reason why 50 year old 
>>> technology
>>> still trumps digital capture.  Not that I don't like digital, I just 
>>> don't
>>> love it like my Velvia.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_04E.jpg
>>> 
>>> http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_03E.jpg
>>> 
>>> http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_02E.jpg
>>> 
>>> http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/PForrest/BrynMawr_01E.jpg
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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