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Subject: [Leica] Black and White C41 Film
From: max_weisenfeld at verizon.net (Max Weisenfeld)
Date: Thu Sep 23 08:15:05 2004
References: <410-2200494231406190@edge.net> <BAY19-DAV9X3cf3ednH0001b1ab@hotmail.com>

B & H, too.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "eric" <leica_korenman@hotmail.com>
To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 5:58 AM
Subject: Re: [Leica] Black and White C41 Film


> Calumet has BW400CN in stock.
> I just received a large order.
>
> Eric
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Jim Nichols" <nicholsj@edge.net>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 9:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Black and White C41 Film
>
>
>> Max,
>>
>> Thanks for the references.  I examined them and will try to locate a 
>> local
>> source so that I can give BW400CN a try.  It sounds interesting.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: Max Weisenfeld <max_weisenfeld@verizon.net>
>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Date: 9/22/2004 4:45:09 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Black and White C41 Film
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>>
>>> Kodak consumer films:
>>>
>> http://www.kodak.com/eknec/PageQuerier.jhtml?pq-path=2/3/9/543&pq-locale=en_
>> US
>>> Kodak Pro films:
>>>
>> http://www.kodak.com/global/en/professional/products/blackWhiteIndex.jhtml?i
>> d=0.1.18.14.21&lc=en
>>>
>>> BW400CN (and Ilford XP2, for that matter)  are very different critters
>> than
>>> silver films.  The C-41 films, in my experience, yield less contrast and
>>> edge sharpness, and more shadow detail when handled well.  They have a
>>> smooth transition from light to dark that I like for portraits, and 
>>> often
>>> less grain in low-light (IMHO).   My work is not the best example of the
>>> abilities though.  Take a look at Graham's:
>>> http://www.geebeephoto.com/html/l10.html  (the T400CN he uses is the
>>> previous version of BW400CN, he must have a big freezer).
>>>
>>> Max
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Jim Nichols" <nicholsj@edge.net>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 22, 2004 12:36 PM
>>> Subject: RE: [Leica] Black and White C41 Film
>>>
>>>
>>> > Dan,
>>> >
>>> > My experience with C41 film has been limited to Kodak BW400-2, the
>>> > comsumer
>>> > film available at Wal-Mart.  In some instances, it appears to offer 
>>> > less
>>> > contrast and more bland images than I recall from my years of using
>>> > silver-based film.  I was just looking for comments from others about
>>> > their
>>> > experiences with this type of film.  I have actually made a few very
>> good
>>> > images with the film, so my problem may stem more from my technique 
>>> > than
>>> > from the film.
>>> > I was also curious about the differences in Kodak films of this type.
>> Do
>>> > you know of a reference website that explains the various films and
>> their
>>> > intended uses?
>>> >
>>> > Jim Nichols
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >> [Original Message]
>>> >> From: Dan Colucci <colucci@thehearth.org>
>>> >> To: Leica Users Group <lug@leica-users.org>
>>> >> Date: 9/22/2004 7:17:25 AM
>>> >> Subject: RE: [Leica] Black and White C41 Film
>>> >>
>>> >> James - I have read your comments twice - what are you saying ?  I 
>>> >> find
>>> >> Kodak Portra BW400, used in contrasty lighting, is just superb with
>>> >> final tonal range and superb detail...Edge sharpness is lacking, but 
>>> >> I
>>> >> enjoy the smooth tonality, especially for portraits
>>> >>
>>> >> Dan
>>> >> www.antiquecameras.net
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: lug-bounces+colucci=thehearth.org@leica-users.org
>>> >> [mailto:lug-bounces+colucci=thehearth.org@leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>>> >> Of
>>> >> JAMES NICHOLS
>>> >> Sent: Tuesday, September 21, 2004 1:27 PM
>>> >> To: LUG@Leica-Users.org
>>> >> Subject: [Leica] Black and White C41 Film
>>> >>
>>> >> Comparing results with C41 B&W to the results I got with Plus-X, 
>>> >> Super
>>> >> XX, and Tri-X in the 1950s and 60s when I had my own darkroom, I have
>>> >> been somewhat disappointed.  Though, without a darkroom, it appears 
>>> >> to
>>> >> be the most convenient way to shoot B&W.  However, after pulling the
>>> >> image below from a cluttered negative taken amid the confusion of a
>>> >> wedding rehearsal supper, I find that, if I do my job, the film will
>>> >> take care of itself.  The image shows the bride-to-be, my
>> granddaughter,
>>> >> in a reflective mood after a busy day, with an even busier day ahead.
>>> >>
>>> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/Musings/Bride_to_Be
>>> >>
>>> >> Leica IIIf RD, Summitar 5cm f/2.0
>>> >> Exposure 1/50 at f/2.8
>>> >> Kodak BW400-2
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> JAMES NICHOLS
>>> >> nicholsj@edge.net
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In reply to: Message from nicholsj at edge.net (Jim Nichols) ([Leica] Black and White C41 Film)
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