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Subject: [Leica] LUG Digest, Vol 60, Issue 231
From: rkrackowizer at yahoo.com.au (Rolf Krackowizer)
Date: Thu, 30 Aug 2018 08:09:55 +0000 (UTC)
References: <mailman.1257.1535571132.2555.lug@leica-users.org>

I am with Tina on that it does not matter what equipment one use it is about 
content and passion of the medium called Photography, I still use  "Film" 
sometimes. I hope that does not offend .Cheers from Down Under 

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Today's Topics:

? 1. Re: Unsubscribing (Gerry Walden)
? 2. Re: Unsubscribing (John McMaster)
? 3. Beaches (James Handsfield)
? 4. Re: Unsubscribing (Tina Manley)
? 5. Re: Back with 2 pics (Lluis Ripoll)
? 6. Re: Unsubscribing (Gerry Walden)
? 7. Re: Wednesday weeds (Jim Nichols)
? 8. Re: Beaches (Philippe)
? 9. Re: Back with 2 pics (Philippe)
? 10. Re: Unsubscribing (Lluis Ripoll)
? 11. Re: Unsubscribing (Gerry Walden)
? 12. Re: Back with 2 pics (Lluis Ripoll)
? 13. Re: Unsubscribing (Brian Reid)
? 14. Re: Unsubscribing (Gerry Walden)
? 15. Re: Unsubscribing (CartersXRd)
? 16. A.I. Gigapixel (Paul Roark)
? 17. Re: Unsubscribing (Gene Duprey)
? 18. Re: A.I. Gigapixel (Jayanand Govindaraj)
? 19. Re: Unsubscribing (Bernard Quinn)
? 20. Re: A.I. Gigapixel (Tina Manley)
? 21. Re: IMG: Pond turtles and what stalks them (Adam Bridge)
? 22. Anyone have thoughts on Venice? (Adam Bridge)
? 23. Re: Unsubscribing (Adam Bridge)
? 24. Re: Anyone have thoughts on Venice? (Jayanand Govindaraj)
? 25. Re: Anyone have thoughts on Venice? (Nathan Wajsman)
? 26. Re: Anyone have thoughts on Venice? (Philippe)
? 27. Re: Hasselblad V lens to X1D body adapter (Mark Rabiner)
? 28. Re: Hasselblad V lens to X1D body adapter (Mark Rabiner)
? 29. Re: IMG: Pond turtles and what stalks them (Philippe)
? 30. Re: Anyone have thoughts on Venice? EDIT (Philippe)
? 31. Re: Hasselblad V lens to X1D body adapter (Philippe)
? 32. Re: Hasselblad V lens to X1D body adapter (Mark Rabiner)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:58:26 +0100
From: Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <F14CE444-96D6-4F5C-A0E8-387AC86397A0 at icloud.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8

Douglas

Of course we all know that virtually anything can be photographed using the 
excellent Leica equipment that is around. However I personally think that 
this group should be for the users of Leica equipment. Know I fully accept 
that when I offered to leave the group in 2012 because I had switched to 
Fuji equipment I was invited to stay because my work was such that could be 
done on a Leica, and I was grateful of the opportunity to do so. However if 
I were coming new to the group as a Leica user and saw that a large majority 
of the discussion and work was on equipment that was not Leica, even to the 
extent that Hasselblad digital has been discussed here, I would question 
whether it was a ?Leica Users Group? or just a run of the mill photographic 
group.

To answer your question, the ethos of Leica photography is using Leica 
equipment to capture the world, mainly in a documentary way.

I value the friendships of people here such as Lluis and Ted amongst others, 
but I am now finding that most of the posts here have little or no interest 
to me, and there are so many other places that show work in what I consider 
the true ethos of Leica, that I have reluctantly decided to move on.

Gerry

Gerry Walden LRPS
www.gwpics.com
+44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
+44 (0)797 287 7932






> On 29 Aug 2018, at 11:19, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
> 
> Sorry to hear that, Gerry. However, I do have a question: what do you 
> think the ethos of Leica photography is?
> 
> Douglas
> 
> 
> On 29/08/2018 09:34, Gerry Walden via LUG wrote:
>> I am sorry to say that I am unsubscribing from this board as I feel it 
>> has less and less relevance to the ethos of Leica photography. Those who 
>> think it is worthwhile can still see my work at the website below, and 
>> through various places such as Facebook, Twitter etc.
>> 
>> It has been a fun ride!
>> 
>> Gerry
>> 
>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>> www.gwpics.com
>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Leica Users Group.
>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 13:11:08 +0000
From: John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.uk>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID:
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MM1P123MB1369.GBRP123.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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I still only use Leica, mostly the S(007) these days....

john

-----Original Message-----
From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.uk at leica-users.org] On 
Behalf Of Gerry Walden via LUG
Sent: 29 August 2018 13:58
To: Leica Users Group
Cc: Gerry Walden
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing

Douglas

Of course we all know that virtually anything can be photographed using the 
excellent Leica equipment that is around. However I personally think that 
this group should be for the users of Leica equipment. Know I fully accept 
that when I offered to leave the group in 2012 because I had switched to 
Fuji equipment I was invited to stay because my work was such that could be 
done on a Leica, and I was grateful of the opportunity to do so. However if 
I were coming new to the group as a Leica user and saw that a large majority 
of the discussion and work was on equipment that was not Leica, even to the 
extent that Hasselblad digital has been discussed here, I would question 
whether it was a ?Leica Users Group? or just a run of the mill photographic 
group.

To answer your question, the ethos of Leica photography is using Leica 
equipment to capture the world, mainly in a documentary way.

I value the friendships of people here such as Lluis and Ted amongst others, 
but I am now finding that most of the posts here have little or no interest 
to me, and there are so many other places that show work in what I consider 
the true ethos of Leica, that I have reluctantly decided to move on.

Gerry

Gerry Walden LRPS
www.gwpics.com
+44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
+44 (0)797 287 7932






> On 29 Aug 2018, at 11:19, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
> 
> Sorry to hear that, Gerry. However, I do have a question: what do you 
> think the ethos of Leica photography is?
> 
> Douglas
> 
> 
> On 29/08/2018 09:34, Gerry Walden via LUG wrote:
>> I am sorry to say that I am unsubscribing from this board as I feel it 
>> has less and less relevance to the ethos of Leica photography. Those who 
>> think it is worthwhile can still see my work at the website below, and 
>> through various places such as Facebook, Twitter etc.
>> 
>> It has been a fun ride!
>> 
>> Gerry
>> 
>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>> www.gwpics.com
>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Leica Users Group.
>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information


_______________________________________________
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 09:11:13 -0400
From: James Handsfield <jhandsfield at att.net>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: [Leica] Beaches
Message-ID: <643249DF-EB43-41FB-A8D6-02BF56AB6DBC at att.net>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=us-ascii

On the beaches in Iceland.

Beach Ice:? 
http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Beach+Ice.jpg.html
 
<http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Beach+Ice.jpg.html>

Glacial Ice:? 
http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Glacial+Ice.jpg.html
 
<http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Glacial+Ice.jpg.html>

Stokknes:? 
http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Stokknes.jpg.html
 
<http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Stokknes.jpg.html>


Jim Handsfield
jhandsfield at att.net






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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 09:11:24 -0400
From: Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID:
??? <CA+yJO1BPfwOxz4MQ5CTDHpWgvu_XF1t=AjAZ671v4LfQSTeQ=Q at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I continue to use only Leica equipment to capture the world in a
documentary way, I hope.? To me, this group is my family and I don't care
what equipment you use!!

I am one of the few women here so I guess I should feel like an outsider,
but I don't.

I don't always comment on the photos but I always look at them and
appreciate the sharing.? The LUG is more about people than equipment and I
haven't found a photography group with better people ;-)

Leically,

Tina

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Gerry Walden via LUG <lug at 
leica-users.org>
wrote:

> Douglas
>
> Of course we all know that virtually anything can be photographed using
> the excellent Leica equipment that is around. However I personally think
> that this group should be for the users of Leica equipment. Know I fully
> accept that when I offered to leave the group in 2012 because I had
> switched to Fuji equipment I was invited to stay because my work was such
> that could be done on a Leica, and I was grateful of the opportunity to do
> so. However if I were coming new to the group as a Leica user and saw that
> a large majority of the discussion and work was on equipment that was not
> Leica, even to the extent that Hasselblad digital has been discussed here,
> I would question whether it was a ?Leica Users Group? or just a run of the
> mill photographic group.
>
> To answer your question, the ethos of Leica photography is using Leica
> equipment to capture the world, mainly in a documentary way.
>
> I value the friendships of people here such as Lluis and Ted amongst
> others, but I am now finding that most of the posts here have little or no
> interest to me, and there are so many other places that show work in what I
> consider the true ethos of Leica, that I have reluctantly decided to move
> on.
>
> Gerry
>
> Gerry Walden LRPS
> www.gwpics.com
> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 29 Aug 2018, at 11:19, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry to hear that, Gerry. However, I do have a question: what do you
> think the ethos of Leica photography is?
> >
> > Douglas
> >
> >
> > On 29/08/2018 09:34, Gerry Walden via LUG wrote:
> >> I am sorry to say that I am unsubscribing from this board as I feel it
> has less and less relevance to the ethos of Leica photography. Those who
> think it is worthwhile can still see my work at the website below, and
> through various places such as Facebook, Twitter etc.
> >>
> >> It has been a fun ride!
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >> Gerry Walden LRPS
> >> www.gwpics.com
> >> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
> >> +44 (0)797 287 7932
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Leica Users Group.
> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Leica Users Group.
> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>



-- 
Tina Manley
www.tinamanley.com
tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley
<http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html>


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:12:44 +0200
From: Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Back with 2 pics
Message-ID:
??? <CADhipR1KFy+KnL_cXWSRDyDR8NSMT4mwKxLpm+6g41+CdGO6_w at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Merci mon ami!

The second one is more likely to a Hichtcock movie about bandidos....
Amiti?s
Lluis


El mi?, 29 de agosto de 2018 14:29, Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
escribi?:

> Both are good, but I like the first better, tells more of a story to me.
>
> Amities Bandido
>
> Philippe
>
>
>
> > Le 28 ao?t 2018 ? 21:57, Lluis Ripoll via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a
> ?crit :
> >
> > In a corner
> > <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/2018F070422.jpg.html>
> > Leica M6, Summicron Rigid, Ilford FP4, D76 1:1
> >
> >
> > No Tittle
> > <
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20150918_L1008772.jpg.html
> >
> > Leica Monocrom, Summilux 35 pre
> >
> > Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome
> >
> > Saludos cordiales
> > Lluis
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Leica Users Group.
> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:17:26 +0100
From: Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <C1E9B754-EB49-46AB-88D6-108A13F59944 at icloud.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8

The sad thing is Tina that I agree with you 100%, and I number you amongst 
the finest. I just think the group as a whole has lost its way.

Gerry

Gerry Walden
023 8046 3076
0797 287 7932

> On 29 Aug 2018, at 14:11, Tina Manley via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> I continue to use only Leica equipment to capture the world in a
> documentary way, I hope.? To me, this group is my family and I don't care
> what equipment you use!!
> 
> I am one of the few women here so I guess I should feel like an outsider,
> but I don't.
> 
> I don't always comment on the photos but I always look at them and
> appreciate the sharing.? The LUG is more about people than equipment and I
> haven't found a photography group with better people ;-)
> 
> Leically,
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 8:58 AM, Gerry Walden via LUG <lug at 
> leica-users.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Douglas
>> 
>> Of course we all know that virtually anything can be photographed using
>> the excellent Leica equipment that is around. However I personally think
>> that this group should be for the users of Leica equipment. Know I fully
>> accept that when I offered to leave the group in 2012 because I had
>> switched to Fuji equipment I was invited to stay because my work was such
>> that could be done on a Leica, and I was grateful of the opportunity to do
>> so. However if I were coming new to the group as a Leica user and saw that
>> a large majority of the discussion and work was on equipment that was not
>> Leica, even to the extent that Hasselblad digital has been discussed here,
>> I would question whether it was a ?Leica Users Group? or just a run of the
>> mill photographic group.
>> 
>> To answer your question, the ethos of Leica photography is using Leica
>> equipment to capture the world, mainly in a documentary way.
>> 
>> I value the friendships of people here such as Lluis and Ted amongst
>> others, but I am now finding that most of the posts here have little or no
>> interest to me, and there are so many other places that show work in what 
>> I
>> consider the true ethos of Leica, that I have reluctantly decided to move
>> on.
>> 
>> Gerry
>> 
>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>> www.gwpics.com
>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Aug 2018, at 11:19, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry to hear that, Gerry. However, I do have a question: what do you
>> think the ethos of Leica photography is?
>>> 
>>> Douglas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29/08/2018 09:34, Gerry Walden via LUG wrote:
>>>> I am sorry to say that I am unsubscribing from this board as I feel it
>> has less and less relevance to the ethos of Leica photography. Those who
>> think it is worthwhile can still see my work at the website below, and
>> through various places such as Facebook, Twitter etc.
>>>> 
>>>> It has been a fun ride!
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>>>> www.gwpics.com
>>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Leica Users Group.
>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Leica Users Group.
>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Leica Users Group.
>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Tina Manley
> www.tinamanley.com
> tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
> http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley
> <http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:19:31 -0500
From: Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Wednesday weeds
Message-ID: <fc36f36a-3189-0a50-1f1a-a1d1f8c2573b at lighttube.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

I like it!

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 8/29/2018 4:18 AM, Don Dory via LUG wrote:
> Good morning.? Still exploring the Konica 57mm wide open.? If I back up
> just a bit from minimum focus it turns out to be a reasonable lens.
>
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/don_dory_gmail_com/Wednesday+Weeds/cascading+leaves.jpg.html
>
> All the best.
>



------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:30:22 +0200
From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Beaches
Message-ID: <680F5746-F08D-4AF8-A43D-35CF0E711A7F at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8

The SL shines in your hands and produces diamonds.

the landscape is simply WOW when seen large.

Thank you.

Amities

Philippe



> Le 29 ao?t 2018 ? 15:11, James Handsfield <jhandsfield at att.net> a ?crit 
> :
> 
> On the beaches in Iceland.
> 
> Beach Ice:? 
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Beach+Ice.jpg.html
>  
> <http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Beach+Ice.jpg.html>
> 
> Glacial Ice:? 
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Glacial+Ice.jpg.html
>  
> <http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Glacial+Ice.jpg.html>
> 
> Stokknes:? 
> http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Stokknes.jpg.html
>  
> <http://www.gallery.leica-users.org/v/jhandsfield_att_net/Iceland/Stokknes.jpg.html>
> 
> 
> Jim Handsfield
> jhandsfield at att.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information



------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:31:29 +0200
From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Back with 2 pics
Message-ID: <4DACBD91-A68B-4A9F-B02C-0C5D0C808C27 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8

Now you tell me ? :-)

J?esp?re que tu vas bien.
Ici on bosse et fait du babysitting, tu as connu ?a non?

Amities

Philippe



> Le 29 ao?t 2018 ? 15:12, Lluis Ripoll via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a 
> ?crit :
> 
> Merci mon ami!
> 
> The second one is more likely to a Hichtcock movie about bandidos....
> Amiti?s
> Lluis
> 
> 
> El mi?, 29 de agosto de 2018 14:29, Philippe via LUG <lug at 
> leica-users.org>
> escribi?:
> 
>> Both are good, but I like the first better, tells more of a story to me.
>> 
>> Amities Bandido
>> 
>> Philippe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Le 28 ao?t 2018 ? 21:57, Lluis Ripoll via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a
>> ?crit :
>>> 
>>> In a corner
>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/2018F070422.jpg.html>
>>> Leica M6, Summicron Rigid, Ilford FP4, D76 1:1
>>> 
>>> 
>>> No Tittle
>>> <
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20150918_L1008772.jpg.html
>>> 
>>> Leica Monocrom, Summilux 35 pre
>>> 
>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome
>>> 
>>> Saludos cordiales
>>> Lluis
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Leica Users Group.
>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Leica Users Group.
>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information



------------------------------

Message: 10
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:32:52 +0200
From: Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID:
??? <CADhipR0Oca_ioYNV2Gg_UY8ZGkPUyYBwnavQ3bHMw1f92jVkDQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Gerry,
As you say we will continue our contact as allways.
For me as Tina says the LUG is like a family place, it is not a problem the
equipment used, it is even interesting see what other World is beyond Leica
when managed from real photographers. Facebook is an i nteresting point but
many said "photographers" are like teenagers Likes collectors, I think that
for meet real photographers and have serious discussions the LUG is better.
Cheers
Lluis

El mi?, 29 de agosto de 2018 14:58, Gerry Walden via LUG <
lug at leica-users.org> escribi?:

> Douglas
>
> Of course we all know that virtually anything can be photographed using
> the excellent Leica equipment that is around. However I personally think
> that this group should be for the users of Leica equipment. Know I fully
> accept that when I offered to leave the group in 2012 because I had
> switched to Fuji equipment I was invited to stay because my work was such
> that could be done on a Leica, and I was grateful of the opportunity to do
> so. However if I were coming new to the group as a Leica user and saw that
> a large majority of the discussion and work was on equipment that was not
> Leica, even to the extent that Hasselblad digital has been discussed here,
> I would question whether it was a ?Leica Users Group? or just a run of the
> mill photographic group.
>
> To answer your question, the ethos of Leica photography is using Leica
> equipment to capture the world, mainly in a documentary way.
>
> I value the friendships of people here such as Lluis and Ted amongst
> others, but I am now finding that most of the posts here have little or no
> interest to me, and there are so many other places that show work in what I
> consider the true ethos of Leica, that I have reluctantly decided to move
> on.
>
> Gerry
>
> Gerry Walden LRPS
> www.gwpics.com
> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > On 29 Aug 2018, at 11:19, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
> >
> > Sorry to hear that, Gerry. However, I do have a question: what do you
> think the ethos of Leica photography is?
> >
> > Douglas
> >
> >
> > On 29/08/2018 09:34, Gerry Walden via LUG wrote:
> >> I am sorry to say that I am unsubscribing from this board as I feel it
> has less and less relevance to the ethos of Leica photography. Those who
> think it is worthwhile can still see my work at the website below, and
> through various places such as Facebook, Twitter etc.
> >>
> >> It has been a fun ride!
> >>
> >> Gerry
> >>
> >> Gerry Walden LRPS
> >> www.gwpics.com
> >> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
> >> +44 (0)797 287 7932
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Leica Users Group.
> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Leica Users Group.
> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:36:36 +0100
From: Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <F160CC13-A6F7-40E8-BE93-B60D22340867 at icloud.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8

Lluis

Thank you for your message. I have not yet left!

Gerry

Gerry Walden
023 8046 3076
0797 287 7932

> On 29 Aug 2018, at 14:32, Lluis Ripoll via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> Gerry,
> As you say we will continue our contact as allways.
> For me as Tina says the LUG is like a family place, it is not a problem the
> equipment used, it is even interesting see what other World is beyond Leica
> when managed from real photographers. Facebook is an i nteresting point but
> many said "photographers" are like teenagers Likes collectors, I think that
> for meet real photographers and have serious discussions the LUG is better.
> Cheers
> Lluis
> 
> El mi?, 29 de agosto de 2018 14:58, Gerry Walden via LUG <
> lug at leica-users.org> escribi?:
> 
>> Douglas
>> 
>> Of course we all know that virtually anything can be photographed using
>> the excellent Leica equipment that is around. However I personally think
>> that this group should be for the users of Leica equipment. Know I fully
>> accept that when I offered to leave the group in 2012 because I had
>> switched to Fuji equipment I was invited to stay because my work was such
>> that could be done on a Leica, and I was grateful of the opportunity to do
>> so. However if I were coming new to the group as a Leica user and saw that
>> a large majority of the discussion and work was on equipment that was not
>> Leica, even to the extent that Hasselblad digital has been discussed here,
>> I would question whether it was a ?Leica Users Group? or just a run of the
>> mill photographic group.
>> 
>> To answer your question, the ethos of Leica photography is using Leica
>> equipment to capture the world, mainly in a documentary way.
>> 
>> I value the friendships of people here such as Lluis and Ted amongst
>> others, but I am now finding that most of the posts here have little or no
>> interest to me, and there are so many other places that show work in what 
>> I
>> consider the true ethos of Leica, that I have reluctantly decided to move
>> on.
>> 
>> Gerry
>> 
>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>> www.gwpics.com
>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Aug 2018, at 11:19, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry to hear that, Gerry. However, I do have a question: what do you
>> think the ethos of Leica photography is?
>>> 
>>> Douglas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 29/08/2018 09:34, Gerry Walden via LUG wrote:
>>>> I am sorry to say that I am unsubscribing from this board as I feel it
>> has less and less relevance to the ethos of Leica photography. Those who
>> think it is worthwhile can still see my work at the website below, and
>> through various places such as Facebook, Twitter etc.
>>>> 
>>>> It has been a fun ride!
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>>>> www.gwpics.com
>>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Leica Users Group.
>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Leica Users Group.
>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Leica Users Group.
>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information



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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:36:53 +0200
From: Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Back with 2 pics
Message-ID:
??? <CADhipR2mtsJJ9PXHyRF8fJ6NUiPxk-NiJJDybpQPCr=skJkfFw at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Je vais bien bandido! Je practique encore babycare...
Amiti?s mon fr?re
Lluis

El mi?, 29 de agosto de 2018 15:31, Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
escribi?:

> Now you tell me ? :-)
>
> J?esp?re que tu vas bien.
> Ici on bosse et fait du babysitting, tu as connu ?a non?
>
> Amities
>
> Philippe
>
>
>
> > Le 29 ao?t 2018 ? 15:12, Lluis Ripoll via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a
> ?crit :
> >
> > Merci mon ami!
> >
> > The second one is more likely to a Hichtcock movie about bandidos....
> > Amiti?s
> > Lluis
> >
> >
> > El mi?, 29 de agosto de 2018 14:29, Philippe via LUG <
> lug at leica-users.org>
> > escribi?:
> >
> >> Both are good, but I like the first better, tells more of a story to me.
> >>
> >> Amities Bandido
> >>
> >> Philippe
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> Le 28 ao?t 2018 ? 21:57, Lluis Ripoll via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> 
> >>> a
> >> ?crit :
> >>>
> >>> In a corner
> >>> <
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/2018F070422.jpg.html>
> >>> Leica M6, Summicron Rigid, Ilford FP4, D76 1:1
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> No Tittle
> >>> <
> >>
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/20150918_L1008772.jpg.html
> >>>
> >>> Leica Monocrom, Summilux 35 pre
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome
> >>>
> >>> Saludos cordiales
> >>> Lluis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Leica Users Group.
> >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >>
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> Leica Users Group.
> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Leica Users Group.
> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information


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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 07:04:00 -0700
From: Brian Reid <reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <eba28793a004e85a09a6754d30cec0d1 at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

I'll be sorry to see you go. I like what you have to say and show.
The LUG is exactly its people; no more, no less.
One good photographer leaving the group diminishes everyone's experience 
here.

Brian Reid
Saloon Keeper


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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:26:34 +0100
From: Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at icloud.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <4F318132-0B2C-4706-989C-C8B10112E319 at icloud.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=us-ascii

Thank you Brian!

Gerry

Gerry Walden
023 8046 3076
0797 287 7932

> On 29 Aug 2018, at 15:04, Brian Reid <reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> wrote:
> 
> I'll be sorry to see you go. I like what you have to say and show.
> The LUG is exactly its people; no more, no less.
> One good photographer leaving the group diminishes everyone's experience 
> here.
> 
> Brian Reid
> Saloon Keeper
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information



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Message: 15
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 10:49:12 -0400
From: CartersXRd <cartersxrd at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <9664C6CB-BC67-4792-90D3-8DDBA79CB5A0 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

There are multiple approaches to leaving a party early.

Among them are:

1. Just slippinng out the door quietly

2. Getting the attention of the host and other guests and explaining to them 
their shortcomings before making one's exit

3. Making a polite excuse and bidding everyone ?Good evening, and thanks for 
your company"

Always enjoyed your pictures, Gerry. Be careful going home.


Ric Carter
www.2018.CartersXRd.net
http://www.facebook.com/ric.carter

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Message: 16
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 08:07:12 -0700
From: Paul Roark <roark.paul at gmail.com>
To: lug at leica-users.org
Subject: [Leica] A.I. Gigapixel
Message-ID:
??? <CAJ3Pgh7F-t7Xyg3eJZ9rQ1XsK=pP2Sf_17nx=VXSwph1i9mwGA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

This tool looks to have some substance.? For large prints or salvaging a
small part of a frame, the quality of the up-res'd image is definitely
better than I've seen with any other approach.

See http://paulroark.com/AI-Gigapixel-sample.JPG (also attached).

Paul
www.PaulRoark.com


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Message: 17
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 10:40:30 -0500
From: Gene Duprey <geneduprey2015 at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID:
??? <CAGHtf7GUev0Xs1Q13mbKYp61RYZtzXEwgGW5js3HO=UeK6aq9g at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

If you leave Gerry, I also will miss you're presence here.? I agree with
Tina, that the LUG and its people are a family, we have all been through
each others ups and downs. But we stick together and help each other out.
Yes many no longer use Leica, but the love of Leica is still there.? I,
myself, am down to just my M8 and 5 lenses, but I still use it along with
my Nikons.? But when traveling I mostly use the M8, it is still a great
camera in spite of its limitations and being eclipsed by newer bodies, that
unfortunately are out of my ability to own.? I hope you stay.

Gene

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:49 AM CartersXRd via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
wrote:

> There are multiple approaches to leaving a party early.
>
> Among them are:
>
> 1. Just slippinng out the door quietly
>
> 2. Getting the attention of the host and other guests and explaining to
> them their shortcomings before making one's exit
>
> 3. Making a polite excuse and bidding everyone ?Good evening, and thanks
> for your company"
>
> Always enjoyed your pictures, Gerry. Be careful going home.
>
>
> Ric Carter
> www.2018.CartersXRd.net
> http://www.facebook.com/ric.carter
>
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information


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Message: 18
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:10:16 +0530
From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Cc: Paul Roark <roark.paul at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Leica] A.I. Gigapixel
Message-ID:
??? <CAH1UNJ3Yy04YmoY+--us6_RLcNbqBLQyphOuXs2QM6q6C=EfyQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I have been playing around with the demo, I find it very good, and will
probably buy it shortly.
Cheers]
Jayanand

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 8:37 PM, Paul Roark via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
wrote:

> This tool looks to have some substance.? For large prints or salvaging a
> small part of a frame, the quality of the up-res'd image is definitely
> better than I've seen with any other approach.
>
> See http://paulroark.com/AI-Gigapixel-sample.JPG (also attached).
>
> Paul
> www.PaulRoark.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>


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Message: 19
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 11:57:46 -0400
From: Bernard Quinn <bjq1 at mac.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <93B858FC-72F5-41AF-A6BB-B69999B0BDEC at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8


Gerry,

Mostly I lurk, but still I am sorry to see you go. I wish that you would 
reconsider.

When I was a boy in the 1950?s my Dad gave me his old Rolleicord, and later 
his old Rolleiflex. The old Rollei is still working fifty years later. My 
Brother Brian has it now. It was very much a one size fits all camera. It 
met my needs for years. Later, when I was in college, I got a leica IIIc. 
That?s when I became addicted. I think that modern technology poses a real 
challenge for a camera group. There is no longer any such a thing as a one 
size fits all camera, and if you can not ask your family about something? 
you have on your mind then whom can you ask? And, yes, at the end of the day 
the LUG is a family. One made up of a group of very talented and interesting 
individuals.

I do not think that that photography is about equipment. It has to do with 
light, and images, and composition to be sure. But when all is said and done 
photography is, like all art, about people and their experiences. 

That?s why I stay. The people. I hope that you could see your way clear to 
doing that, too.

Thanks,

Barney

Make America Gaga Again!



> On Aug 29, 2018, at 9:32 AM, Lluis Ripoll via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> Gerry,
> As you say we will continue our contact as allways.
> For me as Tina says the LUG is like a family place, it is not a problem the
> equipment used, it is even interesting see what other World is beyond Leica
> when managed from real photographers. Facebook is an i nteresting point but
> many said "photographers" are like teenagers Likes collectors, I think that
> for meet real photographers and have serious discussions the LUG is better.
> Cheers
> Lluis
> 
> El mi?, 29 de agosto de 2018 14:58, Gerry Walden via LUG <
> lug at leica-users.org> escribi?:
> 
>> Douglas
>> 
>> Of course we all know that virtually anything can be photographed using
>> the excellent Leica equipment that is around. However I personally think
>> that this group should be for the users of Leica equipment. Know I fully
>> accept that when I offered to leave the group in 2012 because I had
>> switched to Fuji equipment I was invited to stay because my work was such
>> that could be done on a Leica, and I was grateful of the opportunity to do
>> so. However if I were coming new to the group as a Leica user and saw that
>> a large majority of the discussion and work was on equipment that was not
>> Leica, even to the extent that Hasselblad digital has been discussed here,
>> I would question whether it was a ?Leica Users Group? or just a run of the
>> mill photographic group.
>> 
>> To answer your question, the ethos of Leica photography is using Leica
>> equipment to capture the world, mainly in a documentary way.
>> 
>> I value the friendships of people here such as Lluis and Ted amongst
>> others, but I am now finding that most of the posts here have little or no
>> interest to me, and there are so many other places that show work in what 
>> I
>> consider the true ethos of Leica, that I have reluctantly decided to move
>> on.
>> 
>> Gerry
>> 
>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>> www.gwpics.com
>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 Aug 2018, at 11:19, Douglas Barry <imra at iol.ie> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Sorry to hear that, Gerry. However, I do have a question: what do you
>> think the ethos of Leica photography is?
>>> 
>>> Douglas
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 29/08/2018 09:34, Gerry Walden via LUG wrote:
>>>> I am sorry to say that I am unsubscribing from this board as I feel it
>> has less and less relevance to the ethos of Leica photography. Those who
>> think it is worthwhile can still see my work at the website below, and
>> through various places such as Facebook, Twitter etc.
>>>> 
>>>> It has been a fun ride!
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry
>>>> 
>>>> Gerry Walden LRPS
>>>> www.gwpics.com
>>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or
>>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Leica Users Group.
>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Leica Users Group.
>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Leica Users Group.
>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information


------------------------------

Message: 20
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 12:07:31 -0400
From: Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] A.I. Gigapixel
Message-ID:
??? <CA+yJO1AZJtJHm5-H=g_ydYO-Y=0XSx02AAb2Rk+s5V6ZR2epKQ at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

I've been trying it out all day yesterday and today.? I have bought it.
I'm impressed but I cannot figure out why some photos take so long to
process and others don't. I did one this morning that took about 3 minutes
and the next one (same size) has been grinding along for over half an hour!

I'll post results if it ever finishes.? Original was made with Leica SL
;-)? but I'm taking a tiny crop and blowing it way up.

Tina

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 11:40 AM, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <
lug at leica-users.org> wrote:

> I have been playing around with the demo, I find it very good, and will
> probably buy it shortly.
> Cheers]
> Jayanand
>
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 8:37 PM, Paul Roark via LUG <lug at 
> leica-users.org>
> wrote:
>
> > This tool looks to have some substance.? For large prints or salvaging a
> > small part of a frame, the quality of the up-res'd image is definitely
> > better than I've seen with any other approach.
> >
> > See http://paulroark.com/AI-Gigapixel-sample.JPG (also attached).
> >
> > Paul
> > www.PaulRoark.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Leica Users Group.
> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> >
>
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>



-- 
Tina Manley
www.tinamanley.com
tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley
<http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html>


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Message: 21
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 09:07:29 -0700
From: Adam Bridge <abridge at mac.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Pond turtles and what stalks them
Message-ID: <2E527D05-2FEC-4261-83B6-42A54359B917 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Great idea on the re-framing to portrait, Philippe! I?ll give that a shot. 
In the version of the photo that I see the bird?s reflection isn?t cut off. 
I wonder if SmugMug?s display isn?t doing something nasty on your screen?

I?ll ponder the background issue!

Adam

> On 2018 Aug? 29, at 5:33 AM, Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> Lovely takes Adam.
> 
> The sharp background is somewhat of a distractor though. and I would have 
> liked to see the full reflection of the bird in
>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-Z38vjwH/A>
> Portrait orientation next time? ;-)
> 
> Amities
> 
> Philippe
> 
> 
> 
>> Le 29 ao?t 2018 ? 02:17, Adam Bridge via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a 
>> ?crit :
>> 
>> August has turned mild here in the Central Valley and I?ve finally found 
>> wild creatures I can successfully stalk: pond turtles.
>> 
>> More specifically: the pond turtles that reside in ?Putah Creek? at the 
>> UC Davis arboretum.
>> 
>> Here are are pair of western pond turtles at rest on a log. They are 
>> actually a bit skittish. After a few minutes of observation they?ll begin 
>> to resent the too-close observation and slide into the murky green water.
>> 
>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-FSmW6RT/A>
>> 
>> The western pond tutles are the true natives to this area but other 
>> species appear (and are removed) frequently.
>> 
>> Here are a pair of red-eared sliders catching some sun:
>> 
>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-5TsWkXS/A>
>> 
>> I have wondered what made these creatures so wary. About 50 yards away I 
>> found out why:
>> 
>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-FbMsfTL/A>
>> 
>> A great blue heron, standing on a tree branch hanging over the water, 
>> proves to be an agile predator.
>> 
>> Channeling his inner dinosaur:
>> 
>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-hrZWD2C/A>
>> 
>> This bird was absolutely fearless and paid me, a troupe of joggers, 
>> chatty moms with strollers no mind at all. Entirely focused on what might 
>> pass below him.
>> 
>> A week earlier I?d spied a green heron hunting along the same stretch.
>> 
>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-Z38vjwH/A>
>> 
>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-sGb75sK/A>
>> 
>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-rP9Q7Hp/A>
>> 
>> Thanks for looking. Comments/corrections of species ID gratefully 
>> accepted. 
>> 
>> All of these are with the Fuji X-T2 and the excellent XF100-400MM 
>> F4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR lens. The exception being the first image of the 
>> pond turtles which was shot with the Sony A7Riii and the (brand new) FE 
>> 100-400MM F4.5-5.6 GM OSS lens. I?m still working on that one because the 
>> contrast in the original shot was too great.
>> 
>> Adam Bridge
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Leica Users Group.
>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 22
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 09:14:48 -0700
From: Adam Bridge <abridge at mac.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: [Leica] Anyone have thoughts on Venice?
Message-ID: <4446E97E-C704-4A66-949E-F1D0C682B5DA at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

We?ll be going to Venice and then cruising the eastern Med. 

Thoughts on Venice? I?d welcome any insights this group could offer.

I?m also pondering gear and vacillate between taking the X-T2 and three 
lenses to taking my Sony suite. I won?t be moving often, and will always be 
sleeping on a ship so security is good, but argh!!!! Safari was easy. I?m 
NOT a seasoned travel photographer.

Of course I have the same difficulty packing?

Thanks for any insights!

Adam



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Message: 23
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 09:27:16 -0700
From: Adam Bridge <abridge at mac.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Unsubscribing
Message-ID: <6B7F85B6-8FB5-4835-AECB-4B908153C159 at mac.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

I found Tina?s comment insightful simply because I?ve never viewed gender as 
having any role in photography at all. I think if we all were just initials 
or screen names devoid of any gender or national significance I?d read the 
photos and the comments the same way.

I?ve never seen art as a domain for any gender - although point of view can 
be important to understand how a work might be interpreted. But that 
threatens to devolve into some form of art criticism and that?s something I 
literally know nothing about.

Setting all aside: Tina, I know few photographers whose work, thoughts, and 
opinions matter more to me.

Glad you?re around.

And to Gary: I?m sorry I don?t use a lot of Leica gear any more. I?m not a 
professional, I don?t make money from my work, and the trade-offs between 
Leica and Fuji/Sony are such that while I use Leica glass the bodies are 
simply beyond me.

This group has evolved, especially as the digital revolution has moved us 
past discussions of film processing, developing, and printing technique. But 
this is such a friendly place that, even when I don?t have the time to 
devote to reading all the posts and viewing all the photos, I find it to be 
a kind of coming home.

I appreciate your sharing and hope, should you take the plunge and sign off, 
that you find another forum.

Best!

Adam Bridge


> On 2018 Aug? 29, at 6:11 AM, Tina Manley via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> 
> wrote:
> 
> I am one of the few women here so I guess I should feel like an outsider,
> but I don't.



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Message: 24
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 22:29:36 +0530
From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Anyone have thoughts on Venice?
Message-ID:
??? <CAH1UNJ2C51s7OEvzJ7+2z74Tnxq5GL4yKux6TSP9gcZUPvLhtA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

My pure travel kit is a Fuji X100S and a Fuji XT2 with either a 56mm f1.2
or a 90mm f2.

I have found that a Fuji XT2 with an 18-55mm f2.8-4 works very well, too,
as does the X100S by itself.

The key is not to get bogged down with equipment, and the lighter the
better.!

I am going to the Galapagos in November, with my full Nikon wildlife kit,
but the X100S will travel with me to photograph Amsterdam and Quito on the
way. That is all I need!

Cheers
Jayanand

On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Adam Bridge via LUG <lug at leica-users.org>
wrote:

> We?ll be going to Venice and then cruising the eastern Med.
>
> Thoughts on Venice? I?d welcome any insights this group could offer.
>
> I?m also pondering gear and vacillate between taking the X-T2 and three
> lenses to taking my Sony suite. I won?t be moving often, and will always be
> sleeping on a ship so security is good, but argh!!!! Safari was easy. I?m
> NOT a seasoned travel photographer.
>
> Of course I have the same difficulty packing?
>
> Thanks for any insights!
>
> Adam
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information


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Message: 25
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 20:22:23 +0200
From: Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Cc: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Anyone have thoughts on Venice?
Message-ID: <4DEA6AE4-7CA3-402B-B19C-025C70D09EA2 at frozenlight.eu>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8

I am with Jayanand on the need to travel light when visiting cities 
especially. Most of the things you will want to photograph do not require 
200 mm lenses. I have recently started using my XE2 rather than the XT2 as 
my travel camera because it is smaller, lighter and I like the form factor 
better.

Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan Wajsman

Alicante, Spain
http://www.frozenlight.eu <http://www.frozenlight.eu/>
http:// <http://www.greatpix.eu/>www.greatpix.eu
PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws 
<http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ 
<http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/>

Cycling: http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator 
<http://www.crazyguyonabike.com/belgiangator>

YNWA













> On 29 Aug 2018, at 18:59, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <lug at 
> leica-users.org> wrote:
> 
> My pure travel kit is a Fuji X100S and a Fuji XT2 with either a 56mm f1.2
> or a 90mm f2.
> 
> I have found that a Fuji XT2 with an 18-55mm f2.8-4 works very well, too,
> as does the X100S by itself.
> 
> The key is not to get bogged down with equipment, and the lighter the
> better.!
> 
> I am going to the Galapagos in November, with my full Nikon wildlife kit,
> but the X100S will travel with me to photograph Amsterdam and Quito on the
> way. That is all I need!
> 
> Cheers
> Jayanand
> 
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Adam Bridge via LUG <lug at 
> leica-users.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> We?ll be going to Venice and then cruising the eastern Med.
>> 
>> Thoughts on Venice? I?d welcome any insights this group could offer.
>> 
>> I?m also pondering gear and vacillate between taking the X-T2 and three
>> lenses to taking my Sony suite. I won?t be moving often, and will always 
>> be
>> sleeping on a ship so security is good, but argh!!!! Safari was easy. I?m
>> NOT a seasoned travel photographer.
>> 
>> Of course I have the same difficulty packing?
>> 
>> Thanks for any insights!
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Leica Users Group.
>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information



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Message: 26
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 20:29:47 +0200
From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Anyone have thoughts on Venice?
Message-ID: <6A03DE24-EDBF-4121-9EFA-8E15782D080C at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8

I?m with Jayanand on the focal range - was there some time back with a 
24-120 on a FF D700 and that was more than enough.
My current kit contains an XT-2, and the zoom cited by Jayanand. But I think 
I?d take my (or Alice?s to be honest) 18-135 along as it delivers 
consistently (the testers may think write differently though) and the combo 
would offer what many other options may provide in this moist if not wet 
environment depending on the season, weather sealing.

Photos here if interested
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Italie+2012/PSTCRD-Venice-9663.jpg.html
 
<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Italie+2012/PSTCRD-Venice-9663.jpg.html>
and the next x frames

Some people shots there
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Les+Gens/PPL-Venice-9654.jpg.html 
<http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/Phileica/Les+Gens/PPL-Venice-9654.jpg.html>
and the following x frames.

We stayed on one of the less epensive islands across the laguna. Vaporettos 
(read water buses) are frequent and safe to ride)

Takes at least three days to get a glimpse of the maze of lanes, and 
bridges, and more to visit Burano ( a must early morning - too many tourists 
after ten) and Murano (more frequented and less attractive, but there?s 
crystal there ?)

More off list if needed

Amities

Philippe



> Le 29 ao?t 2018 ? 18:59, Jayanand Govindaraj via LUG <lug at 
> leica-users.org> a ?crit :
> 
> My pure travel kit is a Fuji X100S and a Fuji XT2 with either a 56mm f1.2
> or a 90mm f2.
> 
> I have found that a Fuji XT2 with an 18-55mm f2.8-4 works very well, too,
> as does the X100S by itself.
> 
> The key is not to get bogged down with equipment, and the lighter the
> better.!
> 
> I am going to the Galapagos in November, with my full Nikon wildlife kit,
> but the X100S will travel with me to photograph Amsterdam and Quito on the
> way. That is all I need!
> 
> Cheers
> Jayanand
> 
> On Wed, Aug 29, 2018 at 9:44 PM, Adam Bridge via LUG <lug at 
> leica-users.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> We?ll be going to Venice and then cruising the eastern Med.
>> 
>> Thoughts on Venice? I?d welcome any insights this group could offer.
>> 
>> I?m also pondering gear and vacillate between taking the X-T2 and three
>> lenses to taking my Sony suite. I won?t be moving often, and will always 
>> be
>> sleeping on a ship so security is good, but argh!!!! Safari was easy. I?m
>> NOT a seasoned travel photographer.
>> 
>> Of course I have the same difficulty packing?
>> 
>> Thanks for any insights!
>> 
>> Adam
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> Leica Users Group.
>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Leica Users Group.
> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information



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Message: 27
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 14:44:13 -0400
From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Hasselblad V lens to X1D body adapter
Message-ID: <D7115856-52F8-465B-83EC-8443228EA8E6 at rabinergroup.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="UTF-8"

The name of my default tripod which is a made in France: 
Gitzo Series 1 Carbon Fiber Mountaineer Sport 6X Carbon Fiber Tripod. 
They sold it to me even though I'm not a Mountaineer. Nor do I play one on 
Television.
I'm found of smooth ground with few bumps or rocks on it. That way I avoid 
falls and bruises.
I?m in it for the long haul but I'd love that long haul to be on fairly 
level ground.

 
 

-- 

Mark William Rabiner
Photographer

?On 8/28/18, 2:03 AM, "LUG on behalf of Philippe via LUG" 
<lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of lug at 
leica-users.org> wrote:

? ? :-)
? ? 
? ? Amities
? ? 
? ? Philippe
? ? 
? ? 
? ? 
? ? > Le 28 ao?t 2018 ? 08:02, Brian Reid <reid at mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> a 
?crit :
? ? > 
? ? > 
? ? >> Tripods make everything more easy and doable.
? ? > 
? ? > Except rock climbing.
? ? > 
? ? > _______________________________________________
? ? > Leica Users Group.
? ? > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
? ? 
? ? 
? ? _______________________________________________
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Message: 28
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:05:05 -0400
From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Hasselblad V lens to X1D body adapter
Message-ID: <6492C519-BF10-4674-B4E1-8CD642BDB721 at rabinergroup.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="UTF-8"

But I did just look up "Mountaineer" which is my tripods official name in 
case it means something I don?t think it does.
It does.
" While some scholars identify mountaineering-related activities as climbing 
(rock and ice) and trekking up mountains, others are also adding 
backpacking, hiking, skiing, via ferrata and wilderness activities, and 
still others state that mountaineering activities also include indoor 
climbing, sport climbing and bouldering"
" Bouldering" caught my attention. As in "here we go a bouldering"
" Bouldering is a form of rock climbing that is performed on small rock 
formations or artificial rock walls, known as boulders, without the use of 
ropes or harnesses." 
My plan had always been to walk around them. Or take a picture of them. But 
not be on them.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mountaineering
" Hiking in the mountains can also be a simple form of mountaineering when 
it involves scrambling, or short stretches of the more basic grades of rock 
climbing, as well as crossing glaciers."

I did some experimental scrambling this morning with a 12.5 inch Swiss 
Nonstick adding large chucks of mushrooms and sliced mini spuds then spent 
some time looking it up to figure out what to call it. A lot of recipes for 
these kinds of things. Lots of videos. Changed my life. Next time won't 
forget cheese.
It's getting called "A Scramble". I may never have another Omelette.
 

-- 

Mark William Rabiner
Photographer

?On 8/29/18, 2:44 PM, "LUG on behalf of Mark Rabiner" 
<lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of mark at 
rabinergroup.com> wrote:

? ? The name of my default tripod which is a made in France: 
? ? Gitzo Series 1 Carbon Fiber Mountaineer Sport 6X Carbon Fiber Tripod. 
? ? They sold it to me even though I'm not a Mountaineer. Nor do I play one 
on Television.
? ? I'm found of smooth ground with few bumps or rocks on it. That way I 
avoid falls and bruises.
? ? I?m in it for the long haul but I'd love that long haul to be on fairly 
level ground.
? ? 
? ? 
? ? 
? ? 
? ? -- 
? ? 
? ? Mark William Rabiner
? ? Photographer
? ? 
? ? ?On 8/28/18, 2:03 AM, "LUG on behalf of Philippe via LUG" 
<lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of lug at 
leica-users.org> wrote:
? ? 
? ? ? ? :-)
? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? Amities
? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? Philippe
? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? > Le 28 ao?t 2018 ? 08:02, Brian Reid <reid at 
mejac.palo-alto.ca.us> a ?crit :
? ? ? ? > 
? ? ? ? > 
? ? ? ? >> Tripods make everything more easy and doable.
? ? ? ? > 
? ? ? ? > Except rock climbing.
? ? ? ? > 
? ? ? ? > _______________________________________________
? ? ? ? > Leica Users Group.
? ? ? ? > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more 
information
? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? 
? ? ? ? _______________________________________________
? ? ? ? Leica Users Group.
? ? ? ? See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
? ? 
? ? 
? ? 
? ? _______________________________________________
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Message: 29
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:08:03 +0200
From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] IMG: Pond turtles and what stalks them
Message-ID: <2A1840AE-CD3F-4238-8FA6-428F6A0AC8F7 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8

Snugmug always plays tricks on me, when it wants to display at all ?

Amities

Philippe



> Le 29 ao?t 2018 ? 18:07, Adam Bridge via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a 
> ?crit :
> 
> Great idea on the re-framing to portrait, Philippe! I?ll give that a shot. 
> In the version of the photo that I see the bird?s reflection isn?t cut 
> off. I wonder if SmugMug?s display isn?t doing something nasty on your 
> screen?
> 
> I?ll ponder the background issue!
> 
> Adam
> 
>> On 2018 Aug? 29, at 5:33 AM, Philippe via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Lovely takes Adam.
>> 
>> The sharp background is somewhat of a distractor though. and I would have 
>> liked to see the full reflection of the bird in
>>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-Z38vjwH/A>
>> Portrait orientation next time? ;-)
>> 
>> Amities
>> 
>> Philippe
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> Le 29 ao?t 2018 ? 02:17, Adam Bridge via LUG <lug at leica-users.org> a 
>>> ?crit :
>>> 
>>> August has turned mild here in the Central Valley and I?ve finally found 
>>> wild creatures I can successfully stalk: pond turtles.
>>> 
>>> More specifically: the pond turtles that reside in ?Putah Creek? at the 
>>> UC Davis arboretum.
>>> 
>>> Here are are pair of western pond turtles at rest on a log. They are 
>>> actually a bit skittish. After a few minutes of observation they?ll 
>>> begin to resent the too-close observation and slide into the murky green 
>>> water.
>>> 
>>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-FSmW6RT/A>
>>> 
>>> The western pond tutles are the true natives to this area but other 
>>> species appear (and are removed) frequently.
>>> 
>>> Here are a pair of red-eared sliders catching some sun:
>>> 
>>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-5TsWkXS/A>
>>> 
>>> I have wondered what made these creatures so wary. About 50 yards away I 
>>> found out why:
>>> 
>>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-FbMsfTL/A>
>>> 
>>> A great blue heron, standing on a tree branch hanging over the water, 
>>> proves to be an agile predator.
>>> 
>>> Channeling his inner dinosaur:
>>> 
>>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-hrZWD2C/A>
>>> 
>>> This bird was absolutely fearless and paid me, a troupe of joggers, 
>>> chatty moms with strollers no mind at all. Entirely focused on what 
>>> might pass below him.
>>> 
>>> A week earlier I?d spied a green heron hunting along the same stretch.
>>> 
>>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-Z38vjwH/A>
>>> 
>>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-sGb75sK/A>
>>> 
>>> <https://adam-bridge.smugmug.com/Home/Around-Davis/i-rP9Q7Hp/A>
>>> 
>>> Thanks for looking. Comments/corrections of species ID gratefully 
>>> accepted. 
>>> 
>>> All of these are with the Fuji X-T2 and the excellent XF100-400MM 
>>> F4.5-5.6 R LM OIS WR lens. The exception being the first image of the 
>>> pond turtles which was shot with the Sony A7Riii and the (brand new) FE 
>>> 100-400MM F4.5-5.6 GM OSS lens. I?m still working on that one because 
>>> the contrast in the original shot was too great.
>>> 
>>> Adam Bridge
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Leica Users Group.
>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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Message: 30
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:11:35 +0200
From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Anyone have thoughts on Venice? EDIT
Message-ID: <2653ACEE-0330-405C-AF08-2180D6E91F6C at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8


> Le 29 ao?t 2018 ? 20:29, Philippe <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com> a 
> ?crit :
> 
> what many other options may provide in this moist if not wet environment 


what other options may NOT provide ? weather sealing

Ph



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Message: 31
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 21:13:24 +0200
From: Philippe <photo.philippe.amard at gmail.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Hasselblad V lens to X1D body adapter
Message-ID: <A38DC648-198F-498F-BE94-F2356C6D65A1 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset=utf-8


> Le 29 ao?t 2018 ? 20:44, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> a ?crit :
> 
> The name of my default tripod which is a made in France: 
> Gitzo Series 1 Carbon Fiber Mountaineer Sport 6X Carbon Fiber Tripod. 
> They sold it to me even though I'm not a Mountaineer. Nor do I play one on 
> Television.

but you qualify as you eat french fries don?t you? ;-)

Amities Mark

Phil the frog



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Message: 32
Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2018 15:32:02 -0400
From: Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
Subject: Re: [Leica] Hasselblad V lens to X1D body adapter
Message-ID: <BE2E707C-43BE-4A51-BE95-EFD5F75DEC03 at rabinergroup.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="UTF-8"

As a vegetarian I don?t go the fast food places so the last time I had 
French fries which I used to love was years back.
When I make them at home I never get them right.
But I'm inspired to try like maybe tonight.

Come to think of it I often have sliced spuds with my eggs if I cut them 
into long shapes they'd be French fries.

 
 

-- 

Mark William Rabiner
Photographer

?On 8/29/18, 3:13 PM, "LUG on behalf of Philippe via LUG" 
<lug-bounces+mark=rabinergroup.com at leica-users.org on behalf of lug at 
leica-users.org> wrote:

? ? 
? ? > Le 29 ao?t 2018 ? 20:44, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> a 
?crit :
? ? > 
? ? > The name of my default tripod which is a made in France: 
? ? > Gitzo Series 1 Carbon Fiber Mountaineer Sport 6X Carbon Fiber Tripod. 
? ? > They sold it to me even though I'm not a Mountaineer. Nor do I play 
one on Television.
? ? 
? ? but you qualify as you eat french fries don?t you? ;-)
? ? 
? ? Amities Mark
? ? 
? ? Phil the frog
? ? 
? ? 
? ? _______________________________________________
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