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Subject: [Leica] Highlands PAW 28
From: john at (John McMaster)
Date: Sun, 22 Jul 2018 09:44:00 +0000
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Thanks Douglas


-----Original Message-----
From: LUG [ at] On 
Behalf Of Douglas Barry
Sent: 21 July 2018 21:43
To: Leica Users Group
Subject: Re: [Leica] Highlands PAW 28

My sympathies on your loss of view and dark skies, John. It's only when 
something is gone that you really miss it.

On 21/07/2018 16:44, John McMaster wrote:
> Fine, you live in a city - we live literally on the edge of a cliff with 
> 180 degree sea views, we are in the middle of this farm which now takes up 
> the central 90 degree view.  It is perfect darkness here at night, I 
> expect each of the 86 turbines to have at least two lights (front and 
> rear) each.  There are many inland wind farms and quite a few solar panels 
> around (actually more than there were in the south of France ;-))....
> John
> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LUG [ at] On 
>> Behalf Of Nathan Wajsman
> Sent: 21 July 2018 06:34
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Highlands PAW 28
> I am with Frank all the way. Looking at the first image, I really do not 
> see what the fuss is about. And in NW Europe, with not much sunshine most 
> of the year but lots of wind, this is the obvious solution. Similar 
> discussions take place in Denmark, where a decision has now been made to 
> concentrate on wind farms out in the North Sea because people bitch too 
> much when they are put on land.
> Cheers,
> Nathan
> Nathan Wajsman
> Alicante, Spain
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>> On 16 Jul 2018, at 17:29, FRANK DERNIE via LUG <lug at> 
>> wrote:
>> I appreciate you not liking them, I am not keen myself, but there are 2 
>> overriding reasons to site wind farms off shore, wind consistency and the 
>> ability to deploy machines which are much larger than could be moved into 
>> place on land.In parts of the Pyrenees there are small wind turbines on 
>> every ridge as far as the eye can see but they are the biggest they can 
>> get in place. It is hideous and IMO much worse than I am seeing in your 
>> pictures.Seems a shame to mar the beautiful Scottish coastline a bit but 
>> people demand more and more energy. There are not only more of us people 
>> but the energy use per person in modern life must be many times what it 
>> was 60 years ago.When I was a kid it was one bath a week, now it is 2 per 
>> day in some households. Air conditioning didn't exist anywhere in the UK, 
>> central heating was rare etc., etc.cheers,Frank D.
>>     On Monday, 16 July 2018, 11:52, John McMaster <john at 
>>> wrote:
>> I am enjoying my view while I can....  In the first shot you can see the 
>> bases for wind turbines on the horizon to the left, the second shot 
>> (nearly a 1:1 crop) show the first tower and turbines fitted.  In a year 
>> or so there will be nearly 90 of them (+160m tall) straight out in front 
>> of our house :(  Yes this is NIMBYism, but there are vast tracts of 
>> suitable land inland here where people do not go or see them.....
>> C & C welcome
>> john

In reply to: Message from john at (John McMaster) ([Leica] Highlands PAW 28)
Message from frank.dernie at (FRANK DERNIE) ([Leica] Highlands PAW 28)
Message from photo at (Nathan Wajsman) ([Leica] Highlands PAW 28)
Message from john at (John McMaster) ([Leica] Highlands PAW 28)
Message from imra at (Douglas Barry) ([Leica] Highlands PAW 28)