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Subject: [Leica] Monochrom(e) photos
From: gerry.walden at icloud.com (Gerry Walden)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2016 15:38:11 +0100
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Hallelujah - ain?t that the truth!

Gerry


> On 28 Mar 2016, at 23:31, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> 
> May I offer, LADIES & gentlemen a few items re== B&W and Colour? IMAGES as 
> printed! FILM OR DIGITAL!
> 
> This is from experience of over 65 years as a real live rookie to 
> professional photojournalist to this day when I have decided to hang-up my 
> Leica's!  Predominately of the M & R type film cameras! My digital M8 I 
> have used constantly since it arrived on the market! I shall keep it near 
> by just in case????? 
> Oh  I've a fair amount of B&W and colour capturing digital moments via the 
> M8!  I Love it! Oh please don't throw-up any of the techie crap, good, bad 
> or ugly into all this damn electronic stuff that you have been in BORN 
> into the digital/computer world! Please leave it alone! I don't care, as 
> I'm reasonably alive? Well at the moment? An alive Photojournalist 
> photographer. For how much longer? What the heck? Who cares?
> But if you accept my quotation from many years gone by?
> "When you photograph people in "Colour?" You photograph their clothes! But 
> when you photograph people in B&W?  YOU PHOTOGRAPH THEIR SOULS"
> That's as true as I sit here alive and typing it! Actually that's written 
> in stone in a huge shopping mall in South Africa' with my name! :-)
> Don't just think about it, look at hundreds of thousands of photographs 
> you've seen!
> The dead and dying always look worse in B&W, Soldiers, civilians, 
> whomever? DEATH==SAD ANYWHERE?
> 
> Their is a power in B&W vision not perceived with the same power in 
> colour! However the clothes stand out more so. In colour, faded, brilliant 
> or not?
> So be it? It's our human vision as it see's LIFE & DEATH!
> Or objects that fall into the "non-life elements" of cupboards, cabinets 
> etc! Ancient things!
> 
> Not sure this is of any help in seeing life and death, good, bad or ugly? 
> :-(
> cheers,
> Dr. Ted Grant OC
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+tedgrant=shaw.ca at leica-users.org] On 
> Behalf Of George Lottermoser
> Sent: March-28-16 12:56 PM
> To: Group Users Leica
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Monochrom(e) photos
> 
> 
>> On Mar 19, 2016, at 7:39 PM, Howard Ritter <hlritter at bex.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I?ve always been drawn to B&W photos, both to make them and to appreciate 
>> them. All photographers who aren't color blind have had the experience of 
>> wondering whether an image would look better in color or in B&W, probably 
>> for many shared reasons and for some idiosyncratic ones as well. The 
>> common experience is to look at two versions of a photo and to decide 
>> that the B&W looks better than the color, or not, but I can?t recall ever 
>> thinking that only the B&W version was pleasing and worthwhile to look 
>> at. Why should draining the color out of an unremarkable image make 
>> looking at it worthwhile? If a photograph is a representation of reality 
>> seen from one point in space, looking in one direction, at one instant in 
>> time, what is it that causes removing an aspect of reality?color?to 
>> render the image more worthwhile, or even moreso, to render the B&W 
>> version worthwhile when the color one was not? For me, in photos that are 
>> better in B&W, I think it?s the removal of color as a distraction from 
>> the dynamic or the tension of the tableau caught in the image, and the 
>> way this emphasis involves the viewer more intimately in the story. 
>> Nothing original in that analysis, of course, but just how powerful this 
>> effect can be was just brought home to me by some recent B&W photos I 
>> made.
>> 
>> Thinking about my affinity for B&W (considerably stimulated by Lluis?s 
>> work with the MM and by Jim Shulman?s, Chris Crawford?s, and others' film 
>> work) and how I?d gotten largely away from it with the advent of digital, 
>> I decided to trade up to an MM when Leica made me the offer for my 
>> sensor-corroded M9.
>> 
>> Cynthia and I, as new residents of North Carolina, this week made the 
>> obligatory pilgrimage to Biltmore, the 19th-century pile that George 
>> Vanderbilt built at Asheville with his grandfather?s fortune. No 
>> McMansion, but a bona fide one. Huge, complex, with massive stonework, 
>> endless features and surprises, and more of everything (except a darkroom 
>> and an observatory) than anyone would ever need, it would be a prime 
>> venue for Victorian-themed dinner mysteries, Halloween parties, and all 
>> manner of creepy doings, as well as a prime candidate for the kind of 
>> decrepitude that follows with being made for a vastly different era and 
>> vastly greater fortunes, as seen in British grand manor houses that 
>> haven?t been rescued by the Trust. Instead, it?s become the nidus of a 
>> vast entrepreneurial project, with scandalous admission fees, season 
>> passes (!), themed tours, gift shops, a cafe and a lunch restaurant, a 
>> winery, theme-faithful hostelries, etc. I concede that it?s worth a day?s 
>> visit.
>> 
>> I took the MM along and was pleased to find that a number of features of 
>> the house made for B&W photos that I found quite pleasing, many of which 
>> would be quite ordinary and not worth posting to the Gallery had they 
>> been in color. For the most part, these images are dark ones that convey 
>> a sense of vague menace or something sinister glimpsed in a reflection. 
>> The copper pots and pans are not an exception to this, although I think 
>> they?d have looked good in color.
>> 
>> Biltmore and personal effects. A guidebook and, inexplicably, a pair of 
>> eyeglasses left at a vista point.
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/Biltmore+and+personal+effects.jpg.html
>>  
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/Biltmore+and+personal+effects.jpg.html>
>> 
>> Fountain. In the wall at the base of the south slope.
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/Fountain.jpg.html?g2_fromNavId=x4b127eeb
>>  
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/Fountain.jpg.html?g2_fromNavId=x4b127eeb>
>> 
>> Copper Pots. The kitchen's originals, having been used to prepare dishes 
>> for every kind of person from heads of state to humble servants.
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/CopperPots.jpg.html
>>  
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/CopperPots.jpg.html>
>> 
>> Vanderbilt. George himself, a bibliophile, who, judging from the 
>> portraits in the house, liked to pose with his left hand over his upper 
>> right chest.
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/Vanderbilt.jpg.html
>>  
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/Vanderbilt.jpg.html>
>> 
>> Gun Room. Lots of shotgun hunting on the grounds back in the day.
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/GunRoom.jpg.html
>>  
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/GunRoom.jpg.html>
>> 
>> Hospitalitas. Stained glass at the wine shop.
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/Hospitalitas.jpg.html
>>  
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/Hospitalitas.jpg.html>
>> 
>> Wine Library. In the catacombs beneath the winery, a former dairy barn 
>> (??). A rivulet of an unknown fluid emerging from the dark depths?
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/WineLibrary.jpg.html
>>  
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/hlritter/For+Gallery_001/WineLibrary.jpg.html>
> 
> appears you and the MM are getting along well
> on your first date.
> 
> Explore those files deeply and to their limits
> as they are amazingly resilient 
> 
> George Lottermoser
> george.imagist at icloud.com
> 
> 
> 
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