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Subject: [Leica] Phase One XF medium format camera system
From: imra at iol.ie (Douglas Barry)
Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2015 00:40:29 +0100
References: <D1950159.3C2F4%mark@rabinergroup.com>

"Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> ventured on the love that dares 
not 
speak its name...
>>>
>A lenes first job is to be drop dead gorgeous. Its second job it to make
> gorgeous images!
> Same with cameras!
<<<

Eh, erm, Mark, so could you define what exactly makes a lens drop dead 
gorgeous looking? That said I'm sure there's some sort of chatroom that 
devotes itself to this sort of thing, but let's save time. Do share....

Douglas

>
> On 6/3/15 5:57 PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sheesh. Another new comer... just like Sony...
> ;-)
>
> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at
>> 2:26 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Wikipedia knows all,
>>
>>
>> "Takumar is the name that Asahi Optical gave to its lenses, notably but 
>> not
>>
>> exclusively those for its own SLR cameras. Named after the Japanese
>>
>> craftsman Takuma Kajiwara (???? ,Kajiwara Takuma"
>>
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takumar>
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 3, 2015 at 4:20 PM,
>> John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>>
>> > I think you may be looking at
>> the lenses from the wrong side ;-) They are
>> > for using rather than looking
>> at......
>> >
>> > john
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: LUG
>> [mailto:lug-bounces+john=mcmaster.co.nz at leica-users.org] On
>> > Behalf Of Mark
>> Rabiner
>> > Sent: Thursday, 4 June 2015 9:18 a.m.
>> > To: Leica Users Group
>>
>> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Phase One XF medium format camera system
>> >
>> > Oh boy
>> a Pentax!! Will I be able to get Super Takumar lenses? NO!
>> > I know I just
>> checked the Ricoh site.
>> > A camera body is all about giving an impressive
>> line of glass a home .
>> > These babies are dog ugly...: not going to spend
>> five grand for them.
>> > http://www.us.ricoh-imaging.com/645z/lens.html
>> >
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On 6/3/15 12:39 AM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Mark,
>> > $8,000 for a MF SLR PLUS a MFDB of 50MP PLUS a MF
>> 55/f2.8 about the same
>> > > cost as a M240 or new M246 or Nocti 0.95 all
>> alone.
>> >
>> > It's a freaking steal
>> > > anyway you slice it! The Canon
>> EOS1-D C is $8,000 18MP AND NO LENS!
>> >
>> > Yes it's
>> > > expensive, but
>> compared to others in the market, it's a give away!
>> >
>> > What are
>> > > you
>> waiting for? A Pentax complete MF camera and lens system for the
>> > > same
>> price as a Canon body... Keep us posted... :-)
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Bob Adler
>> >
>> Robert Adler
>> > > Photography
>> > www.robertadlerphotography.com
>> >
>> > > On
>> Jun 2, 2015, at 8:10 PM, Mark
>> > > Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > > There's the aspect perhaps that
>> > > once you're getting into
>> thousands of
>> > > dollars not just hundreds you're
>> > > talking about
>> financing. And its a thing you arrange with a banker and
>> > > a payment is a
>> payment. Its a slight bigger monthly chunk of money
>> > > you're paying off to
>> get Schneider glass or Leica glass. Or Pentax
>> > > glass which is marvelously
>> above average.
>> > > So when it comes to having to finance something I'd go
>> for the gusto.
>> > > I'd not skimp on glass. And who knows what  Pentax sensor
>> is like vs.
>> > > a Leica or a PhaseOne.? No clue.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> On
>> 6/2/15 9:13
>> > > PM, "Bob Adler" <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Our
>> local store is having a
>> > > Pentax 645Z sale where if you buy the body
>> (a50MP
>> > >> back is an integral
>> > > component), you get a free 55mm f/2,8
>> lens.
>> > >
>> > > For
>> > >> $8k...
>> > >
>> > > Phase is
>> > > going to have a
>> tough time with prosumers and dilettantes
>> > >> like
>> > > me...
>> > >
>> >
>> >
>> > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2015 at 5:14 PM, Mark Rabiner
>> > >>
>> <mark at rabinergroup.com>
>> > > wrote:
>> > >
>> > >> A new standard in
>> photography is being hyped with this new
>> > > major upgrade to
>> > >> the
>> whole medium format PhaseOne system the whole thing
>> > > seemingly totally
>>
>> > >> re
>> > >> designed and the top ended of three
>> > >> cameras
>> > > having
>> a CMOS but the lower two
>> > >> sticking with a more traditional for
>> > >>
>>
>> > > medium format CCD.
>> > >> XF IQ3 80MP - $48,990 / ?38,990 CMOS
>> > >> XF
>> IQ3 60MP -
>> > >>
>> > > $41,990 / ?33,990 CCD
>> > >> XF IQ3 50MP - $40,990 /
>> ?31,990 CCD
>> > >>
>> > >> Is the top
>> > > end
>> > >> one the lower ones not
>> that much cheaper.
>> > >>
>> > >> What really caught me
>> > > is the way
>> > >>
>> the Schneider-Kreuznach leaf shutter
>> > >> lenses
>> > >> are being
>> > >
>> described or
>> > >> hyped.
>> > >> They are rated at  100MP. Not line pairs but
>> MP's
>> > > which are
>> > >> megapixels. So
>> > >> glass now is now rated now
>> by its real
>> > > resolution (line
>> > >> pairs), contrast or
>> > >> MTF
>> charts but on what size digital
>> > > file they can
>> > >> support.
>> > >> The
>> upshot one may assume you know when you spend
>> > > tens of thousands
>> > >>
>> on a
>> > >> new
>> > >> lens you wont be buying a camera
>> > > afterwards which
>> resolves higher
>> > >> than your
>> > >> lens thus putting a damper on
>> > >
>> the buying of the camera for a big
>> > >> part.
>> > >> To me this is a
>> milestone but
>> > > I'm ready for someone here to tell me
>> > >> its
>> > >>
>> been
>> > >> going on for years.
>> > > This is the first I've noticed.
>> > >>
>>
>> > >> I do
>> > >> think I've been using for most
>> > > of my digital experience
>> over the past
>> > >> dozen
>> > >> years glass that resolved
>> > > higher than
>> my camera bodies. And lived.
>> > >> But I've
>> > >> not been in a medium
>> > >
>> format mindset. Or do set. But instead I've
>> > >> been going
>> > >> through
>> the
>> > > burgeoning beginnings of fairly serious digital
>> > >> photography.
>> Not
>> > >> the pie
>> > > in the shy over the top end.
>> > >>
>> > >> Lenses
>> Ready for 100MP
>> > >>
>> > >> --
>> > >>
>> > > Mark
>> > >> William Rabiner
>> >
>> >> Photographer
>> > >>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Regards,
>>
>> Sonny
>> http://sonc.com/look/
>> Natchitoches, Louisiana
>>
>> 1714
>> Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase
>>
>> USA
>>
>>
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>
>
> -- 
> Bob
>> Adler
> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>
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