Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2015/05/15
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Mark, you are running at the mouth again, ignorant about photography stuff that really should concern you, and hell bent on insulting our friends who try to help you...... what's a body to do? s On May 15, 2015, at 4:55 PM, Spencer Cheng <spencer at aotera.org> wrote: > > Mark, > > There are many layers to technology like everything else. Do not assume > because one understand one layer, that one understand the implications of > the other layers. > > A computer guy taught you about digital backups, correct? Computer guys > wrote the S/W to support the digital image workflow, correct? Please do > not insult us computer guys about stuff we know lots about. :) > > Backups are not enough if you want your digital images to be usable for > your life time. You actually have to read (and write) each image you have > regularly to ensure that a) the image has not been corrupted due to bit > rot and b) to convert it to a current format with current version of your > preferred S/W package. > > If you are not doing both, you might as well not bother with the backup. > > None of us, as an individual, can afford (financially) to repeat the BBC > Domesday Project which was an excellent example of how not to handle > digital media. > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BBC_Domesday_Project> > > Spencer > >> On May 15, 2015, at 19:28, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >> >> Me I'm a photographer guy and I'm pretty smart when it comes to >> photographer >> stuff. >> But you computer guys are pretty dumb when it comes to computer stuff. >> Again and again and again the workflo in working with digital files I'm >> sure >> day one first day of class in computer school is you don't put all your >> pix >> or files of any kind in a hard disk with the idea that is going to be >> there >> forever. You keep migrating often a good time is when you amass more >> information you got to a bigger drive but if your starting off with some >> huge thing it would have to be on a set timely bases. This is a thing >> that a >> lot of people know not just ones who know how to code. >> Basic computer backup. Its readily available information which I bet is >> pre >> high school curriculum now. >> >> >> >> On 5/15/15 6:25 PM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org> wrote: >> >>> Dang! I was going to stay out of this. :-) >> >> The digital media industry don?t >>> give a hoot about long term image viability. The CEOs care mostly about >>> quarter-to-quarter financial results and the size of their bonus. It?s >>> the >>> photographer?s problem and rather too few photographers even understand >>> there >>> is problem. >> >> Digital cameras are all disposable in the sense that 99.9999% of >>> them are unrepairable after 3 years because the parts are no longer >>> available. >>> Why should digital images be any better from the industry?s >>> perspective? >> >> Spencer >> >>> On May 15, 2015, at 1:42, Mark Rabiner >>> <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>> >>> I think to agree I think that there is too >>> much people time and money being >>> invested into the making of digital still >>> and video files for them to be a >>> here today gone tomorrow kind of thing. >>> >>> It makes the whole industry look bad if people can't access their >>> pictures >>> >>> any more or if these files are otherwise messed up just because they are >>> >>> old... Like an old Ektachrome slide fading and fungussing. in the corner >>> of >>> >>> your basement. >>> >>> >>> >>> On 5/14/15 10:37 PM, "Jayanand Govindaraj" >>> <jayanand at gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I have been following this thread with >>> interest, as this is a problem that >>> all >>>> of us have, and my primary >>> takeaway is that all archival systems seem >>> to be >>>> deeply flawed in the >>> long term, so we might as well use the one that >>> is >>>> convenient to us and >>> not worry about it. As Keynes said, in the long >>> term we >>>> are all dead. >>> Your pictures, however, are damned either >>>> way....:-) >>> Cheers >>> Jayanand >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 4:46 AM, Spencer Cheng >>>> <spencer at aotera.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> We are going way off topic here so this is my >>>> last comment. I >>> did not say >>>> to store your digital media using >>>> microfiche. >>>> >>>> I am >>> aware of a group of digital archivist (including someone >>>> from NIST) >>>> >>> working on how to preserve digital media in a standardized >>>> fashion. >>>> >>>> >>> Best practice digital media preservation currently require >>>> regular >>> active >>>> copying and indefinite transcription of digital media to >>>> protect >>> again >>>> deterioration of storage media and format obsolescence. >>>> >>>> If >>>> >>> you are not doing both, your stored media is likely to stay ephemeral >>>> >>>> >>> despite of what you believe. >>>> >>>> Mark, do as you wish but 1?s magically >>>> >>> becomes 0?s in digital media >>>> whether you believe it?s going to happen or >>>> >>> not. Good Luck. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Spencer >>>> >>>>> On May 14, 2015, at 16:17, >>> Mark >>>> Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> From the Library of >>> Congress >>>> (USA) >>>>> "Does the Library of Congress recommend microfilming or >>> digitization >>>> for >>>>> reformatting institutional collections?.... >>>>> >>>>> " >>> That said, the >>>> end of microfilming is near, despite it's relatively low >>>>> >>> cost and the >>>> several hundred year projected lifetime of preservation >>>> >>> film. >>>>> The >>>> National Endowment for the Humanities no longer funds grants >>> for >>>>> >>>> microfilming and microfilm readers are increasingly difficult to >>> maintain> > >>>> and service." >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> http://www.loc.gov/preservation/about/faqs/reformatting.html#prescopy >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>>> Recognizing Digitization as a Preservation Reformatting Method >>>>> >>>> >>> http://chnm.gmu.edu/digitalhistory/links/pdf/preserving/8_34a.pdf >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 5/14/15 1:17 AM, "Spencer Cheng" <spencer at aotera.org> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Canadian Archive uses microfiche which are stable for >>> 100+ years (or >>>> >>>> acid-free >>>>>> paper for documents). The Canadian census >>> was stored that way. >>>> ?was? >>>> because I >>>>>> am not sure we have a real >>> census any more. >>>>> >>>>> >>>> Digital storage is very >>>>>> ephemeral. I doubt >>> if most digital storage will >>>> last more than 10 >>>> years. Those >>>>>> 1?s >>> randomly change to 0?s far too >>>> frequently. I don?t think archivist >>>> >>> like >>>>>> digital media very much. >>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Spencer >>>>> >>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica >>>>>> >>> Users Group. >>>> >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for >>> more >>>>>> information >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Mark William >>> Rabiner >>>>> Photographer >>>>> >>>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> >>> See >>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users >>> Group. >>>> See >>>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>>> >>> information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica >>> Users >>>> Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photographer >>> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See >>> http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users >>> Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photographer >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information