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Subject: [Leica] Bat Bending Strength: The Ted Gran Effect? - JIM
From: jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Sun, 10 May 2015 11:31:11 -0500
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Thanks, Philippe.  His recorded shutter speed is 1/1800, so silent mode 
it must be.  Your recent link was very informative.  I'm just as happy 
to remain with my vintage X-E1............ :-)

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 5/10/2015 11:27 AM, Philippe wrote:
> Bob's X-T1 has a dual shutter, or two shutters if you prefer, Jim.
>
> The e-shutter captures light scanning as an old TV set created an image - 
> which leaves time for a fast movement to trigger the effect.
> It is the one shutter that is used when shooting in silent mode. Hence my 
> question.
> The phenomenon may also happen when the e-shutter supersedes the 
> mechanical one i.e. for speeds above 1/4000 if I remeber well.
>
> The rest is chronophotography.
>
> Amities
> Ph
>
>
>
> Le 10 mai 2015 ? 18:18, Jim Nichols <jhnichols at lighttube.net> a ?crit :
>
>> Ha!  No electronics involved in that one.  I was thinking of those images 
>> as well.  The Leica handbooks of the 1950s, which I have somewhere, use a 
>> similar image to demonstrate what can happen as the 
>> horizontally-traveling slit passes across the film opening, recording a 
>> moving wheel-type image.  All purely mechanical.
>>
>> Jim Nichols
>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>
>> On 5/10/2015 11:06 AM, Philippe wrote:
>>> It is due to the electronic shutter
>>>
>>> Lartigue invented it ;-)
>>> http://www.exponaute.com/magazine/2012/10/01/art-et-automobile-un-siecle-dinspiration/
>>>
>>> I'm serious Philippe
>>>
>>>
>>> Le 10 mai 2015 ? 17:47, Robert Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> a ?crit :
>>>
>>>> Trying out the M 135 f/3.4 ASPH on a Fuji X-T1, as a potential longish 
>>>> lens
>>>> solution. This visual phenom occurred (no photoshop!).
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/rgacpa_HI/Bat+Bending+Strength-2015-05-09.jpg.html
>>>>
>>>> Ted Grant has an image, "Martha," that seems to be somewhat similar to 
>>>> this
>>>> effect:
>>>> http://tedgrantphoto.com/Martha.htm
>>>>
>>>> I think Ted has never been able to explain why this happened: he knows 
>>>> what
>>>> he was doing when he took the image, but how it happened eludes him.
>>>>
>>>> Perhaps nothing to do with Ted's effect, but interesting...
>>>>
>>>> BTW, this is your Mother's Day photo quiz: knowing the equipment, do you
>>>> know why this happened?
>>>>
>>>> Happy mother's day to all the amazing moms out there!!
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Bob Adler
>>>> www.robertadlerphotography.com
>>>>
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Replies: Reply from philippe.amard at sfr.fr (Philippe) ([Leica] WAS- Bat - now JIM)
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