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From: tmanley at gmail.com (Tina Manley)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 14:11:07 -0400
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Thanks, Bernard. I do need all the help I can get.  I would love to get
comments like:  I prefer the first one, I like this one because I can see
the people, the tree gets in the way of the people in that one, I don't
care for this one at all, the composition would be better if you...., this
one means a lot to me, I don't feel anything when I look at this photo.
I'm going by how Maggie Steber edited my photos of Honduras.  She went
through them very quickly, editing 5000 photos in a week, and gave me
comments like that, also ranking them 1-5.  I would love to be able to
employ Maggie full-time but instead I'm relying on free help from the LUG
;-)

My goal with this project is mixed - I want to end up with salable stock
photos (even though it is becoming increasing difficult to make a living
with stock. Today Alamy sold one of my photos with commercial world rights
in both e- and print books for 5 years and my share was $3.78).  I intend
to set up a website to sell my own stock this year.  But I would also like
to edit the photos for a book.  Someday I would like to do a book for each
of the countries I have photographed.  I'm scanning Portugal as I edit Cuba.

In other words, I need to objectively (hah!!) pick out the best photos.  I
think I can judge salability but I need help with the "this one is better
than that one" judgments.

I appreciate your support.  I am spending way too much time in front of the
computer.

Out to the sunshine!

Tina

On Fri, Mar 20, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Bernard Quinn <bjq1 at mac.com> wrote:

>
> Tina,
>
> I am jumping into this thread late as I sit in the lunch room finishing my
> lunch on a snowy, cold, wet March afternoon. Sorting and editing 16,000
> photographs is a Herculean task. Clearly daunting. I think that it is
> perfectly reasonable to need some support with a job that size. I certainly
> would. I agree with you. The LUG is a very good place to look for support.
> Not only is it a family in its own way whose members really do care about
> each other but it is a group of very experienced photographers even if some
> of us don't exactly shoot in the same league as you and Ted.
>
> Please do not stop posting. That will not help you get through your
> project and it would make our lives poorer. I think we should ask how we
> can support you? It's perfectly true that you are going to edit your way
> through this one photograph at a time.  And perhaps the best way for people
> to support you is one photograph at a time. But, there is a trap.
> Photography is, at least in part, an art. Sometimes talking about a picture
> involves asking questions which really do not have easy or simple answers.
> What is too red for you might be just right for another viewer. Please do
> not let your ego get involved on that level. It is going to cause you too
> much pointless and useless pain if you let your self worth as a
> photographer or worse as a human being be determined by what red means in a
> photograph. That ties something important, you, to something indeterminate,
> namely taste.
>
> What are your goals? What is the end point of this project? How many
> finished photographs do you want to produce? I can understand understand
> you sitting in front of your monitor crying. It's an overwhelming project,
> but it is also a very sad image for me.
>
> Would some support and ideas about handling a project of this size help? I
> do not know how you approach your editing, but here is what I would be
> tempted to do. I would go through all 16,000 photos and select a core of
> them, say a thousand but who knows if them to work on. I would then focus
> on that. And, I would do so in a way which kept the perfect from being the
> enemy of the good. A home who tries to prefect even pixel in 16,000 shots
> is going to end up in the looney bin.
>
> Barney
>
> Barney Quinn, WK3Z
> C: (301) 775-1386
> H: (301) 654-0938
>
> > On Mar 19, 2015, at 9:39 AM, Tina Manley <tmanley at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > OK this is driving me crazy.  I didn't sleep at all last night and I
> can't
> > continue to edit my Cuba photos until I get this sorted out.  This photo
> > was made with my 50 Summilux, the sharpest lens I have.  The way I judge
> > sharpness is to view the photo at 100% - just like the stock agencies
> tell
> > you to.  Here is a 100% enlargement of that photo:
> >
> > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/159481904
> >
> > Is that sharp or not?  If not, there is something wrong with my eyes.
> >
> > Here is a shot a short time later with a little more light:
> >
> > http://www.pbase.com/tinamanley/image/159481902
> >
> > Here is a 100% enlargement of that shot:
> >
> > http://www.pbase.com/image/159481905
> >
> > Is it sharp?  Am I going blind?
> >
> > Please let me know.
> >
> > Tina
> >
> >> On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Ted Grant <tedgrant at shaw.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Tina,
> >>
> >> Technical wise I have no idea what's causing the effect because I've
> never
> >> given one twit of technical thought about photography! I just enjoy my
> >> photographic love affair without question! :-) :-) HOWEVER? :-)
> >>
> >> 1/ It kind of doesn't look sharp?
> >> 2/ If you kind of move your head about while looking at the screen it
> >> looks sharp sort of when you kind of angle your head to screen..
> >> 3/It looks like it's sharp but blown - up a zillion times shot on ASA 1O
> >> film.
> >> 4/Looking through the four sizes none of them seem to have what I'd
> call a
> >> sharp Leica edge line anywhere. All edges seem to have a tiny bit of a
> >> glow. Which appears to remove sharpness.
> >> 5/ My first re-action was it was taken through one of those lenses that
> >> nothing is ever sharp-sharp. It's the kind, one of the old time photogs
> >> used on green peppers & people got wet pants with excitement when used!
> >> They look kind of sharp. But? Looked kind of just off the super-sharp
> edge.
> >> 6/ Never mind all the various computer screens..... Run off a 13X19 full
> >> frame B&W print. Then come back and tell us what it looks like?
> >>
> >> Certainly an interesting effect. But it has absolutely nothing to do
> with
> >> whether you focused the lens properly. And if this is the "ONLY FRAME
> YOU
> >> SEE IT ON????????????????" Don't sweat it! Write it off as some kind of
> >> ATMOSPHERE situation." :-)
> >>
> >> Life is too short knocking yourself out over one ordinary image. Neither
> >> is wasting the time typing all the e-mails back and forth.
> >>
> >> Just go and sit down, pour yourself a nice single malt and smile while
> >> enjoying all the thoughts of the hundreds, nay, thousands of amazing
> CUBA
> >> photos you came home with!  Now don't you feel better? NO! NO! Don't let
> >> another thought about whatever this is enter your thoughts! And forget
> >> "curiosity I just want to know???."
> >>
> >> Like, it just isn't worth all the time you and others have & are putting
> >> on the screen. Sure folks curiosity want to know  what made this effect.
> >> Good for them. BUT? It's all over one frame of thousands you exposed?
> >>
> >> I'm right! MAKE ONE 13x19 B&W PRINT! GAME AND ANSWER, it's OVER! :-)
> >> Because in print form it's going to look just fine as a print! And that
> my
> >> dear lady is all that matters in the end! Besides all your other photos
> >> completely over ride all this!!! :-)
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Dr. ted
> >>
> >>
> >>
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> >
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Tina Manley
www.tinamanley.com
tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
http://www.alamy.com/stock-photography/3B49552F-90A0-4D0A-A11D-2175C937AA91/Tina+Manley.html


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