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Subject: [Leica] Fwd: Tina's softness/sharpness/focus issue - might be solved, in part
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2015 08:45:39 -0700
References: <D131B6B9.3574E%mark@rabinergroup.com>

> yup Tina, that?s what I strongly think too, and you heard it right here 
> from me, a bona fide  nobody?.  !

these decisions are yours to make??. 

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> Tina, post them but don't ask for technical advice. Like if its too dark or
> too light or really anything like that.
> I don't ask tech advice and I don't get that much.
> I get "nice pic, Mark" and that's fine with me. And:
> " reminds me of the taste of wild hickory nuts". Which starts my day of 
> just
> fine.
> When an established photographer shows somebody a picture I think it 
> assumed
> they like it feel its a strong image and want to share it with you. See if
> you also think so or maybe its leaving you a bit flat. Not contrast flat 
> but
> emotionally.
> Having someone tell a seasoned photog if they think it should be cropped
> more or less or lighter or darker is a bit presumptuous. Unless they asked
> them too!
> In 50 years of showing people prints I can recall that happening to me once
> it was a few years ago and a few months later they put the guy in the 
> looney
> bin. True story. And coincidence.
> Even when a novice photog shows me a print I'm reluctant to give that kind
> of advice unless I'm sure its what they're asking me for.
> I say "what kind of criticism are you asking for"
> To which they invariably say "I don't know"
> After which I give examples which are multiple choice.
> And they still don't know. They're all very shy.
> I just say if I'm responding to the image strongly or not. "this one I like
> less than the others" is what I say to a god awful image..
> I'll say" did you make that one with a bit more contrast if so I'd love to
> see it!?" Or
> Is this when the camera went of accidently while it was hanging around your
> neck? Is what I say when I'm being serious.
> I think its unusual and uncommon for a seasoned photog to ask technical
> advice from a general crowd. I'd advise against it. Its asking for trouble
> With a capital T which rhymes with P and stands for Plus X!
> 
> I'd strongly advise not putting up black and white vs. color comparisons.
> These are decisions we need to make for ourselves and remind me of my very
> early academic classes in photography. And most classes are academic or
> should be.
> That's my opinion and I'm sticking with it.
> 
> 
> On 3/20/15 10:19 AM, "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> Certainly NOT my intent.  I enjoy looking at travel pictures... Yours,
>> especially, but also Nathan's and Jay's, to name just 2.  I mentioned the
>> issue with the colors, only because I felt there was something amiss with 
>> what
>> I thought the public at large would have seen.  Now that I understand the
>> point of showing the particular pictures for content and comsposition, I
>> understand that my comment was out of place.
>> 
>> I apologize for interfering with your image flow.
>> 
>> Please do not stop posting: Viewing them is my way of going with you,
>> vicariously, to many parts of the world I will never see.
>> 
>> Frank Filippone
>> Red735i at verizon.net
>> 
>> But now it doesn't look like dawn which was the whole point to me.
>> 
>> I have fallen into the trap, again, of trying to adjust my photos to 
>> please
>> everyone.  I will never get through 16,000 edits at this rate.  Right 
>> now, all
>> I am doing is going through the photos as quickly as I can and selecting 
>> those
>> which might merit more detailed work later. I hit Auto in LR to get in the
>> ballpark.  LR adjustments are non-destructive and I can go back to the
>> untouched photo at any time.  I post the ones I am considering and hope 
>> for
>> comments on the content and/or composition.  Anything to do with white
>> balance, exposure, lifting shadows, suppressing highlights, contrast,
>> spotting, sharpening can and will be done much later, after I have 
>> finished
>> all of the editing.
>> 
>> Maybe I should just post the photos straight from LR with no adjustments 
>> at
>> all?  Or maybe I should just not post them at all.  It's too discouraging 
>> and
>> demoralizing.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> 
>> Tina
>> 
>> 
>> 
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