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Subject: [Leica] Elder prostate wisdom
From: steve.barbour at (Steve Barbour)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2015 16:36:24 -0800
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> I think that Mark is largely correct. I'm an MD, though not a Urologist. I 
> think they have us coming and going on this very difficult question. Even 
> the formal recomendations about this have changed fairly recently. The 
> problem is that the majoroity of men above a certain age, ? 70 or so as I 
> recall, develop some form of "prostate Ca " at least seen microscopically 
> on autopsy, regardless of the cause of death.

    Of the men who develop prostate CA, who are diagnosed while living, most 
have a fairly benign form. Some few, a low percent of diagnosed prostate 
Ca's, are aggressive.  That's the problem.  As a result a lot of work, many 
procedures are done on many people so that a few may be  protected. Many 
procedures are done, much money is spent, ultimately many suffer 
complications from the procedures a few really need. 

George, as you have come this far, have an enlarged prostate and rising 
PSA's, it is hard to conclude now, that it's wise to stop the bus. 


>> Begin forwarded message:
>> Date: February 20, 2015 at 3:34:01 PM PST
>> From: Mark Rabiner <mark at>
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Elder prostate wisdom
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at>
>> I could be nothing.  I think there's a huge industry centered around guys
>> enlarged prostates. I was referred to a urologist a few years ago the 
>> whole
>> thing felt very strongly like kick backs. It could be you reach a certain
>> age they feel a chunk of your money needs to be spent on urologists.
>> I'd like to find out how many men who are a bit older do NOT have an
>> enlarged prostate. I'd guess it was about half.
>> But I'm not telling you to not go see a Doc. I'm saying if you feel like 
>> you
>> are getting caught up in a money making machine with negative not positive
>> effects then get a second opinion or see what the world is like with a 
>> more
>> simplified approach.
>> On 2/20/15 6:06 PM, "George Lottermoser" <george.imagist at> 
>> wrote:
>>> So I had a PSA blood test at the request of my new "primary care" doctor.
>>> First time I've ever had one of these PC doctors.
>>> He ordered a blood test for PSA, Cholesterol, Blood Sugar
>>> First PSA test was 4.1 in April, 2011
>>> When enlarged prostate was diagnosed with digital exam.
>>> All the usual symptoms you'd expect with an enlarged prostate.
>>> Now, Second PSA test was 7.8 in February, 2015
>>> My new young Doctor wants me to see a Urologist.
>>> I'd appreciate any and all opinions re: current state of the art
>>> for Screenings et al re: Enlarged Prostates, Pre Cancer, Cancer, etc.
>>> I know we must have a lot of experience among these OLD LEICA NUTS
>>> On or off list as you see fit.
>>> Thanks,
>>> Regards, 
>>> George Lottermoser
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>> -- 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photographer
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