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Subject: [Leica] Is this ethical?
From: lluisripollphotography at gmail.com (Lluis Ripoll)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:54:20 +0200
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Hi all of you my friends,

I?m sorry but I can?t respond and comment every message individually, 
however there many coincident points in the messages. My position, with 
Right or not, is to respect the people and I understand too that posting 
such pictures I?m not infringing private rights, as many of you have said, a 
different thing would be if I use the pictures for business, this is not my 
case. 

I thank you your suggestions about your different experiences, I normally do 
this but that day I was with some foreign friends, what is very usual in my 
life in Barcelona going as a guide for friends who are coming to Barcelona, 
and I don?t did. Thank you for encouraging me Tina, Mark and others to do a 
supplementary effort on these ones, I will try to do it. I have my own rules 
too, I completely avoid photograph poor persons, I?ve took some pictures of 
these situations in the past but I don?t do it any more. Also I?ve keep 
without showing many pictures from the 90?s of children and persons, now I?m 
posting these, I understand that after almost 25 years there is no reason to 
hide these pictures.

On the other hand I want point out that I think our World is everyday more 
crazy, I?ve watch  two days ago on the TV the case of a young who took a 
picture to some young ladies ?se?oritas? in La Rambla , and he was fight by 
her boy friends?, you know I?ve shoot many se?oritas without problems?

The idiosyncrasy of the people of every country counts a lot too, many years 
ago, in the 90?s many people could be happy that someone shoot a picture of 
them, even they was very usually asking to shoot them, actually this is 
completely different ?

Thank you very much to all for your comments, I think it has been an 
interesting discussion.

Saludos cordiales
Lluis



El 10/07/2014, a las 23:32, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> 
escribi?:

> Situation:  The kid is probably 8-11 years old.  You are on the public
> street.  You take her picture,  She says no photos.  You did not erase the
> images taken before the NO.....
> 
> I realize this is Spain, with different rules/laws, however..... in the
> US....
> 
> The girl is a minor with essentially no legal rights.  In this case NO 
> means
> nothing.
> Photography of a minor, assuming it is not in the least bit pornographic or
> perverse, is not against the law.  Ditto any other age.
> You are on a public street, visible. You have the legal right to photograph
> anything from a public street.  Anything. 
> 
> Now if you were to use the photograph to financial gain ( sell/rent/use the
> picture in an advertisement, for example) the rules change.....  It is 
> still
> lawful, but she could sue you for use without reimbursement.... and win.
> 
> This all centers upon the "rights" of the Paparazzi.  Which have been 
> upheld
> in the US.
> 
> Are you planning to make a lot of money from this photograph?
> 
> Shall we call you Don Paparazzi Luis?
> 
> Frank Filippone
> Red735i at verizon.net
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On 
> Behalf
> Of Lluis Ripoll
> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:56 AM
> To: Leica Users Group; MUGers at yahoogroups.com
> Subject: [Leica] Is this ethical?
> 
> The Luggers who has been in Barcelona they know very well this place, Sant
> Felip de Neri, I love it! There is as school there and I've take some 
> shoots
> trying to respect the privacity. The young girl has came and said me "no
> photos" , I have processed the image with a certain contrast to made the
> faces more difficult to be identified. In Spain there is no Law regulations
> about restrictions to photograph children. What do you think?
> 
> Children, Pl. Sant Felip de Neri
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/2014061102.jpg.html>
> 
> No photo
> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/2014061103.jpg.html>
> 
> Leica MP, Summilux 50 v2, Agfa APX100, Plustek, Vuescan
> 
> Thanks, I will appreciate your c&c !
> 
> Saludos cordiales
> Lluis
> 
> 
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