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Subject: [Leica] Is this ethical?
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 00:10:43 -0400

I agree with all that Frank said but I don't feel we need to be put in with
the  Paparazzi. As we are not them. so why speak like we are them?

People have taken to very quickly saying "no photos" as if they have a right
to do that.
They don't.
Don't respect that right which they do not have. They've gotten to think
they have that right.

I will say I avoid taking pix of kids like the plague as the law and common
essence has nothing to do with it. I try to stick with far off and backs of
heads. But never have I ever stopped taking pictures of anything when asked
not to like that. When asked not to I shot faster and more. It just pisses
me off. Sometimes I say "sorry lady I'd rather be home watching television."
click click.
Its just that on many occasions I've had a deadline and no time to worry
about peoples delusions of grandeur.
Then on times when I'm just shooting for my body of work I remember those
times.


On 7/10/14 5:47 PM, "Lluis Ripoll" <lluisripollphotography at gmail.com> 
wrote:

> Thank you Frank! you made me really smile!
> 
> I think the true Paparazzi shoot famous persons only, for them this is 
> like a
> profession. I?ve never get money from one of my pictures - unfortunately ! 
> I
> have sold some ones on the Gallery I?m exposing, that?s all, nothing
> important.
> 
> About the rules and other of the aspects you mention I agree, but if I 
> don?t
> need exhibit the picture and the picture is neither a great one ? it is not
> worst made more efforts on this way.
> 
> Thank you for your opinion!
> 
> Cheers
> Lluis
> 
> 
> 
> El 10/07/2014, a las 23:32, Frank Filippone <red735i at verizon.net> 
> escribi?:
> 
>> Situation:  The kid is probably 8-11 years old.  You are on the public
>> street.  You take her picture,  She says no photos.  You did not erase the
>> images taken before the NO.....
>> 
>> I realize this is Spain, with different rules/laws, however..... in the
>> US....
>> 
>> The girl is a minor with essentially no legal rights.  In this case NO 
>> means
>> nothing.
>> Photography of a minor, assuming it is not in the least bit pornographic 
>> or
>> perverse, is not against the law.  Ditto any other age.
>> You are on a public street, visible. You have the legal right to 
>> photograph
>> anything from a public street.  Anything.
>> 
>> Now if you were to use the photograph to financial gain ( sell/rent/use 
>> the
>> picture in an advertisement, for example) the rules change.....  It is 
>> still
>> lawful, but she could sue you for use without reimbursement.... and win.
>> 
>> This all centers upon the "rights" of the Paparazzi.  Which have been 
>> upheld
>> in the US.
>> 
>> Are you planning to make a lot of money from this photograph?
>> 
>> Shall we call you Don Paparazzi Luis?
>> 
>> Frank Filippone
>> Red735i at verizon.net
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: LUG [mailto:lug-bounces+red735i=verizon.net at leica-users.org] On 
>> Behalf
>> Of Lluis Ripoll
>> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2014 10:56 AM
>> To: Leica Users Group; MUGers at yahoogroups.com
>> Subject: [Leica] Is this ethical?
>> 
>> The Luggers who has been in Barcelona they know very well this place, Sant
>> Felip de Neri, I love it! There is as school there and I've take some 
>> shoots
>> trying to respect the privacity. The young girl has came and said me "no
>> photos" , I have processed the image with a certain contrast to made the
>> faces more difficult to be identified. In Spain there is no Law 
>> regulations
>> about restrictions to photograph children. What do you think?
>> 
>> Children, Pl. Sant Felip de Neri
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/2014061102.jpg.html>
>> 
>> No photo
>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/2014061103.jpg.html>
>> 
>> Leica MP, Summilux 50 v2, Agfa APX100, Plustek, Vuescan
>> 
>> Thanks, I will appreciate your c&c !
>> 
>> Saludos cordiales
>> Lluis
>> 
>> 
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