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Subject: [Leica] Interesting technical problem--your thoughts?
From: jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2014 19:07:14 -0500
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Jim,

My original Leica, which I still have, was a IIIa.  I shot numerous 
rolls of bulk film, but I loaded the film into Kodak cartridges, which 
were fairly simple to separate and reassemble. I don't recall ever 
seeing anything like your example, which shows the fogging goes to the 
edge of the film stock.  I have never used Leica cartridges, but seem to 
recall they have a felt seal.  I think the problem stems from the 
cartridge.  Perhaps a loose felt strip that only bends back on occasion.

Just my two cents.

PS:  Does the "leak"  always show up in the same spot relative to the 
frame, or is the placement more random?

Jim Nichols
Tullahoma, TN USA

On 3/11/2014 6:44 PM, Jim Shulman wrote:
> Well, I've been shooting with my IIIb/SCNOO ensemble for a few weeks, and
> love it.
>
>
>
> With one exception:
>
>
>
> The other day I was merrily shooting away with Kodak 5222 loaded into
> several of the Leica metal FILCA cartridges for the IIIb/SCNOO
> combination.  After processing, I noticed that several of the frames seemed
> to have a strange fogging, almost like a crescent dagger from the bottom of
> the frame (bottom, as in what was in the bottom of the camera) about every
> so often, maybe five frames total out of 40.  These came when I was
> shooting in regular daylight--some bright sun, some shade, and did my film
> loading in subdued light (or indoors).  I've attached an image file showing
> the offending "dagger" fogging.
>
> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/focusit/filca+fog.jpg.html
>
>
>
>
>
> Seemed strange.  So I ran a side-by-side test at end of day, first shooting
> a roll of FILCA-loaded Kodak 5222, then a roll of Fuji Acros 100 in the
> standard Fuji metal cartridge.  Both came out fine with no dagger-like
> fogging.  The sun was out, but not brightly.
>
>
>
> I thought I might have misloaded the FILCAs for some reason, so I loaded
> another and went out shooting in regular bright daylight.  Again, every so
> often there was the dagger-like fog at the bottom of the occasional frame
> (and no pattern to the "daggers"; they appeared irregularly.)
>
>
>
> Yesterday, I ran another test: I shot a roll of very old Plus-X, in the
> standard Kodak cartridge, in bright sunlight.  I took off the lens and
> aimed the camera at the bright sun; I shot in brightly lit areas, I shot in
> dim areas.  No fogging whatsoever on the film.
>
>
>
> Any idea what's happening?  If it were a camera light leak, it would have
> happened on all types of film cartridges, both standard and Leica FILCA.
> If it were a FILCA problem alone, it would have leaked when I shot toward
> the end of day (in the double-blind test).  If it were a darkroom loading
> problem, it would have happened to all my film.
>
>
>
> One suggestion I've received is that there's a tiny light leak near the
> take-up spool, based on the sharp definition of the leak pattern.  If
> that's the case, though, why not on both FILCA and non-FILCA loads?  After
> all, the take up spool has nothing to do with the type of film cartridge.
>
>
>
> As the King said, "It is a puzzlement".
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jim Shulman
>
> Wynnewood, PA
>
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