Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2014/02/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Depends on what you mean by "went". Photographers tend to own and use a myriad assortment of cameras. Unlike many of us on the lug when the get into a new camera system they do so by buying it. They don't trade for it. I could belive it because you say so, Scott but why not paste in a URL so I can see it with my own eyes?!? I'd guess Marc has probably under a hundred cameras he uses occasionally. My I politely say its unlikely his got rid of his full frame Canon EOS Mark system? And that I'd bet real money he shoots medium format digital a few times a year rented or otherwise. And to walk his dog he's got a Minox in his back pocket. On 2/25/14 7:37 AM, "Scott Gregory" <scottgregory at mac.com> wrote: > Mark one studio is World famous portrait photographer Marc Hauser in > Chicago. > Went from Canon to Panasonic GH 3 recently. And they shoot JPEG for fast > turn > around since the sensor is so good. Also another.reason is the quality of > the > video since they are shooting those in studio as well. > > Scott > >> On Feb 24, 2014, at 11:58 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >> >> Really Scott which pro studies are trading in their full frame DSLR's for >> cropped? >> Problem is when the sensors get better so do the full frame sensors. >> And pros get very excited about the quality of their output going up; not >> down. >> >> >>> On 2/24/14 6:31 PM, "Scott Gregory" <scottgregory at mac.com> wrote: >>> >>> Actually Mark that is exactly what is starting to happen in some studios! >>> Scott >>> >>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 6:05 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> You're just not selling me on the idea that serious shooters or pros are >>>> shooting 4/3's cameras. certainly a cameras does not need to be light or >>>> tiny underwater. I cant think of any other convoluted reason. >>>> There is no logic to the idea that the line between 1.5x and 2x formats >>>> has >>>> been somehow magically blurred. >>>> In general what is happening is not "the technology is advancing lets >>>> more >>>> down in format" but quite the opposite. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 2/24/14 4:55 PM, "Jim Laurel (gmail)" <jplaurel at gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> If you stop in at Glazers Camera here in Seattle (a "real" camera >>>>> store >>>>> with >>>>> complete lines in stock at any given time and knowledgeable sales >>>>> people), >>>>> you'll see that the largest number of people are always milling around >>>>> the >>>>> mirrorless counters. Every time I walk in there, someone is fondling an >>>>> EM-5, >>>>> GX-7 or EM-1 and marveling at their handsome design and good handling. >>>>> Then >>>>> there's the look of disbelief on their faces when the salesperson hands >>>>> them >>>>> Panasonic's 12-35 (24-70 equiv) f/2.8 that weighs only 305 grams, or >>>>> the >>>>> Olympus 12mm f/2 (24mm equiv) that weighs just 130 grams... Once you >>>>> educate >>>>> buyers and show them the alternative (i.e., a Canon 60D with the >>>>> 24-70mm >>>>> f/2.8L), then let them take a few shots and look at them on a computer, >>>>> they >>>>> understand where things are going. ;) >>>>> >>>>> --Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:41 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Another problem with REAL camera sales is so many REAL camera stores >>>>>> are >>>>>> gone from the scene. >>>>>> >>>>>> As far as I know there are only four camera stores left in all of >>>>>> Louisiana, all in New Orleans. >>>>>> >>>>>> There's no inventory of serious choices at the Best Buys and Targets >>>>>> that >>>>>> have "replaced" them. >>>>>> >>>>>> We're reaping what we sowed when we shunned the little camera stores >>>>>> for >>>>>> mail order. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 3:30 PM, Jim Laurel (gmail) >>>>>> <jplaurel at gmail.com>wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> They are doing well in at least one area, albeit very niche area: >>>>>>> underwater photography. A couple of the major dealers in the country >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> UW >>>>>>> photo and video gear tell me that m4/3 is outselling DLSR systems 6 >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The disappointing popularity of mirrorless in North America is due to >>>>>>> uninformed consumers and also the fallacy that really good image >>>>>>> quality >>>>>>> starts at APS-C. Already M4/3 is very hard to distinguish from APS-C >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> most applications. And the fact remains that larger sensors mean >>>>>>> larger >>>>>>> lenses. Neither of the top 2 manufacturers of APS-C DSLRs has ever >>>>>>> made >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> serious attempt at a high quality lens line for their cop sensor >>>>>>> cameras. >>>>>>> I'm talking about a full range of high speed primes and fast zooms, >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> if >>>>>>> the users of APS-C cameras want really good glass, they're forced >>>>>>> into >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> full frame lines. Only the m4/3 consortium have made a serious >>>>>>> attempt >>>>>>> at >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> complete system with premium glass optimized for the smaller sensor. >>>>>>> The >>>>>>> jewel-like Olympus 12mm f/1.8, the 75mm f/1.8, Panasonic 8mm fisheye >>>>>>> and >>>>>>> 7-14 are the result. Extremely compact lenses of extremely high >>>>>>> optical >>>>>>> quality. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's funny to look back and remember all the prejudice against the >>>>>>> "small >>>>>>> format" 24mm x 26mm when it was first introduced. But as film >>>>>>> quality >>>>>>> improved, so did the viability of the 135 format for almost every >>>>>>> application. The same will be true of sensors, only it will happen >>>>>>> faster, >>>>>>> and in 10 years' time, a lens the size and weight of Canon's 70-200mm >>>>>>> f/2.8 >>>>>>> IS USM will look like quite the relic, while Panasonic's 35-100 f/2.8 >>>>>>> will >>>>>>> be regarded as having been a harbinger of the future. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> --Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Feb 24, 2014, at 1:07 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> And Panasonic. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It seems to the average western consumer a mirrorless is a step up >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>> what >>>>>>>> they get with their Smartphone but they don't find it necessary to >>>>>>>> take >>>>>>> that >>>>>>>> step they are more conserved with getting the pix out of their >>>>>>>> phones >>>>>>> onto >>>>>>>> their facebook or Instasgram or other social network galleries than >>>>>>> hanging >>>>>>>> a show on the wall of a gallery with exposed brick behind them. >>>>>>>> We have to be careful when we say "mirrorless" now as they seem to >>>>>>>> come >>>>>>> in >>>>>>>> two distinct form factors. The original flat ones which could also >>>>>>> emulate >>>>>>>> compact rangefinder cameras. And ones which look like DSLR'S which >>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>> lightweight but too chunky to be called flat. >>>>>>>> The articles states Asian ladies like the mirrorless as they are >>>>>>>> light >>>>>>> into >>>>>>>> to put in their purse. Western ladies don't see that? >>>>>>>> The bottom line from all I can see is how to get the publics smart >>>>>>>> phones >>>>>>>> out of their cold dead hands to take a picture or do anything with >>>>>>> anything >>>>>>>> else. One step up is not enough over here it seems it seems we need >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>> go >>>>>>>> two steps up and make it a camera which really shoots a quality >>>>>>>> pictures >>>>>>> IE >>>>>>>> having a sensor at least 1.5x crop. >>>>>>> http://www.businessinsider.com/mirrorless-camera-sales-disappoint-2013-1>>>>>>> 2 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sonny >>>>>> http://sonc.com/look/ >>>>>> Natchitoches, Louisiana >>>>>> 1714 >>>>>> Oldest Permanent Settlement in the Louisiana Purchase >>>>>> >>>>>> USA >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photographer >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photographer >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information -- Mark William Rabiner Photographer http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/