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Subject: [Leica] I can focus my Noctilux
From: steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2014 14:28:04 -0800
References: <CF209CF5.17EDF%mark@rabinergroup.com>

On Feb 12, 2014, at 12:37 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:

> The focusing on both my M6s never messed up on me. And I used my Noctilux
> extensively and blew the shots up to 16x20 and the focusing was always spot
> on.  Sure rangefinder focusing can go out but in the long run its many 
> times
> more accurate than a groundglass up to a lens I think 120mm's. That's a 
> math
> thing Brad the Leica rep told me.
> Leicas use has long been much about the superiority of its rangefinder a
> mechanical marvel that was softly tweaked through time but was good at the
> onset. One hates to see it written off as inferior by the first high tech
> metal munching marvel technology which comes along with predator graphics..
> I don't think it has..


thanks Mark, as soon as you've tested them side by side please let us know.


Steve



> 
> 
> On 2/10/14 9:36 PM, "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I don't have a dog in this hunt;  my latest Leica RF is a IIIf.  However,
>>> over the past few years, I recall numerous postings by multiple owners 
>>> about
>>> the delays in getting rangefinders calibrated to specific lenses.  It 
>>> was a
>>> recurring theme.  With the advent of the EVF, accurate focusing is there 
>>> when
>>> needed, and the RF is there for mundane work.
>>> 
>>> Horses for courses..........................
>> 
>> 
>> thanks Jim, you are exactly right; rangefinders focus based on a preset, 
>> blind
>> mechanical linkage that can become unreliable, like most of us, through 
>> age,
>> trauma, by falling, being bumped etc. It can also be adjusted well for one
>> lens or set of conditions, and less well for other. What you recall 
>> correctly
>> is that under certain stringent cicumstances, where the rubber hits the 
>> road,
>> tolerances may be so tight, and demands so high that an individuals hit 
>> rate
>> goes down so significantly, that attempts to improve the rate may involve
>> recalibration of the rangefinder, sometimes with the lens. In this case 
>> the
>> EVF may help since you are actually focussing on something you can see.
>> 
>> 
>> s
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 2/10/2014 7:44 PM, Steve Barbour wrote:
>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 3:32 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Which is a really interesting topic for me because all else being equal I
>>> find that the RF is much more precise.
>>> 
>>> more precise than what Geoff ?
>>> have you given an adequate trial to focus peaking?
>>> 
>>> That is to say that in my experience
>>> what is your experience with focus peaking?
>>> 
>>> there is a range of acceptable focus peaking effect as you move the focus
>>> ring (not dissimilar to a plain ground glass in effect?) but only one
>>> moment when the RF is truly aligned.However that is not taking into 
>>> account
>>> focus shift which the EVF negates for you.
>>> so you 1. see better what you are focussing on 2. have a separate
>>> confirmation of focus  3. avoid focus shift (a biggie when you are wide 
>>> open)
>>> 4. benefit from focus peaking for long lenses as you mention below
>>> 
>>> Of course the RF is not very
>>> good at all if you want to use R lenses or long teles, or macros or third
>>> party adapted lenses!
>>> 
>>> so what's not to like?
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Cheers
>>> Geoff
>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 11 February 2014 08:40, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 2:17 PM, rgacpa at gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Whoop!
>>> Did you try it with just the range finder?
>>> MUCH less certain
>>> 
>>> 
>>> s
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> On Feb 10, 2014, at 2:05 PM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> finally, at f1...
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/barbour/PAW+2014/glasses.jpg.html
>>> 
>>> focussed near lateral RIGHT rim, on RIGHT earpiece, 1/2 inch from the
>>> rim...
>>> 
>>> Leica M 240 with Noctilux at f1, RAW file done with focus peaking,
>>> using Olympus VF-2..
>>> 
>>> many thanks,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Steve
>>> 
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>> 
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> 
> 
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Replies: Reply from hopsternew at gmail.com (Geoff Hopkinson) ([Leica] I can focus my Noctilux)
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