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Subject: [Leica] Monochrom high iso test
From: rgacpa at gmail.com (Bob Adler)
Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:16:07 -0800
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I am not buying any more photo gear this year!
(Runs down hallway screaming with hands over ears...)

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:15 PM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
> 
> We all know you will get one, it is just when ;-) I can pick out a few 
> more if you want...... 
> 
> john
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> On Behalf Of Bob Adler
> 
> It's killing me...
> I keep telling myself the M is close enough... Then John goes and shoves 
> it in my face...
> Grrrrr
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> I think that these kinds of samples should come with a warning
>> "Caution May induce symptoms of severe GAS in some viewers".
>> 
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Geoff
>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman
>> 
>> 
>>> On 29 January 2014 12:55, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
>>> 
>>> A couple of examples:
>>> 
>>> http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2013/27/content/L2003238_large.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://johnmcmaster.com/PESO/LUG/05-TwilightZone/content/L2003805_HDR_large.html
>>> 
>>> http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2013/41/content/L2004005_large.html
>>> 
>>> http://johnmcmaster.com/PAW/2014/02/content/L2004327_large.html
>>> 
>>> You can start to see the effect in these 1200 pixel images, it looks
>>> lovely in the original......
>>> 
>>> john
>>> ________________________________________
>>> 
>>> OK, THAT is hard core :-)
>>> 
>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
>>> // http://facebook.com/richardmanphoto
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 2:41 AM, John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Ditto, I often use an ND1.8 so I can use 5000 during the day ;-)
>>>> 
>>>> john
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I love the texture at ISO 5000 so much particularly in low light with
>>>> lower contrast lenses, that I don't do anything to the noise.
>>>> 
>>>> Marty
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Tuesday, 28 January 2014, Richard Man <richard at 
>>>> richardmanphoto.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Just out of curiosity, does anyone who do all sort of tricks to get
>>>>> "better noise behaviors" etc. have good photos to show?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Jay Burleson
>>>>> <leica at jayburleson.com<javascript:;>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I am more apt to follow Ted's advice and just go out and shoot, but
>>>>> enough
>>>>>> interest has been raised here and on other forums for me to
>>>>>> undertake
>>>>> this
>>>>>> absolutely non-scientific test.
>>>>>> There has been some chatter about deliberately underexposing the M9
>>>>>> at a lower iso and then pushing the exposure in post to get better
>>>>>> noise results, and questions have been asked, since the Monochrom
>>>>>> shares the
>>>>> same
>>>>>> base sensor as the M9, if that would work with it.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The answer is yes and no.
>>>>>> It is doable, but (to my eye), there is no appreciable reason to do
>>> it.
>>>>>> There is a slight (approx. 1/4 stop) gain in the highlight side of
>>>>>> the histogram, but the overall noise is the same, and when fully
>>>>>> processed,
>>>>> no
>>>>>> real differences.
>>>>>> It does demonstrate how much detail is available in the Monochrom
>>>>> shadows;
>>>>>> a 5 stop push on the underexposed image was just fine.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> #2171: iso 10000, -.3 stop exposure compensation, no other Lightroom
>>>>>> adjustments.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> #2172: iso 1250, -.3 stop exposure compensation, + 3 stops exposure
>>>>>> added in Lightroom.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> #2171A: Additional post processing in Lightroom to look correct (in
>>>>>> my opinion).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> #2172A: Additional post processing in Lightroom to look correct (in
>>>>>> my opinion).
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The images are here:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> http://jayburleson.com/leica/misc_images/mm_iso_test/
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jay,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Jay Burleson Gallery
>>>>>> <http://jayburleson.com/leica/gallery/index.php/>
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