Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/09/11

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Subject: [Leica] S snapshots
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Thu, 12 Sep 2013 06:55:25 +0200
References: <CE56847E.10597%mark@rabinergroup.com> <911156F1-DA73-40EB-8932-59531B701533@gmail.com>

Well, there is actually a Voigtl?nder company in F?rth, selling various 
photo odds and ends. According to this (German) Wikipedia article, Cosina 
just licensed the right to use the brand, they did not buy the brand as such:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voigtl?nder

Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
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On Sep 12, 2013, at 2:58 AM, Jeffery Smith wrote:

> Even if they did buy the Voigtlander name, as I recall the camera bodies 
> are stamped "Voigtlander Germany". That seems deliberately misleading.
> 
> Jeffery
> 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
> 
>> One of my little problems with Cosina which itched in the craw in the
>> background was they never wanted  to put their name on their own products
>> like they used to in the 60's. Was that the dad?  A Cosina SLR was a quite
>> nice option to Minolta or Mamiya or Miranda  or Yashica. Nobody 
>> complained.
>> Nobody said "not don't use  your own name for gods sake use German ones
>> instead you'll make more money"
>> 
>> As a person who is very familiar with what a Voigtl?nder or Zeiss product
>> looks like and feels like and what they do it went down funny as the lack 
>> of
>> integrity behind the whole thing is  really just odd. I mean why use your
>> own name when you can buy someone's better? I can think of a few.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/11/13 8:04 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I think the first Cosina things out were a Bessa L (with horrific shutter
>>> vibration) and some non-coupled ultrawides like the 12, 15, and 25. They 
>>> did
>>> seem to be saying that they didn't wish to compete with Leica, but did. 
>>> And in
>>> the long run they may have rejuvenated enough interest in rangefinders to
>>> ultimately benefit Leica. Like marijuana leading to "the hard stuff", 
>>> they
>>> definitely gave a lot of people the rangefinder bug. I would have never
>>> ventured into the LUG had I not heard about it in one of Stephen Gandy's
>>> forums (RF or CVUG).
>>> 
>>> Jeffery
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Sep 11, 2013, at 6:40 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> My memory is it was a 75mm lens they started with which they promised 
>>>> would
>>>> be the last Leica lens they'd make they had no intention of competing 
>>>> with
>>>> Leica. Then they came out with a body. Then a wide.  Though I'm really a
>>>> capitalist and am all for competition and feel positive about most of 
>>>> the
>>>> output of the Cosina company and its alternate lower price point and 
>>>> have
>>>> and use some of their stuff, glass and bodies In both my Leica M, LTM 
>>>> and
>>>> also my Nikon DSLR systems. Also some of the Cosina stuff shows some
>>>> imagination that Leica didn't have. Compact slower optics as Leica was
>>>> coming out with metal munching high speed monsters with a price tag 
>>>> which
>>>> reads like a house down payment.
>>>> Though in many cases glass wise I'd rather go with an older Leica from a
>>>> previous decade as resolution and contrast is not such a big thing for 
>>>> me
>>>> all the time with digital.
>>>> 
>>>> I like the idea more of glass being the best it can be in 1960 more than
>>>> glass made in 2013 dumbed down to fit the money pocketbooks of the 
>>>> consuming
>>>> masses.
>>>> And I like Nickel and brass more than I like aluminum and plastic.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 9/11/13 5:52 PM, "Jefffery Smith" <jsmith342 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> My recollection is that Cosina ultrawides piqued interest in people who
>>>>> couldn't justify paying for a Leica ultrawide. I'm not sure I can 
>>>>> justify
>>>>> paying for a Cosina ultrawide; I just don't use them any more. I do 
>>>>> remember
>>>>> when digital was sort of a verboten subject on the LUG. These days, 
>>>>> digital
>>>>> is
>>>>> the norm on the LUG.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm glad that this group is still hanging in there, even if they don't
>>>>> always
>>>>> use Leica. I quit the Pentax forum because (1) it often didn't involve
>>>>> Pentax,
>>>>> and (2) it often didn't even involve photography. That's a bad 
>>>>> combination.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Jeffery 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>> -- 
>>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>>> Photographer
>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mark William Rabiner
>> Photographer
>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>> 
>> 
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