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Subject: [Leica] Buying Leica.....
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 20:03:15 -0400
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Thank you, Phong. I really appreciate your support.  You and 99% of the LUG
are what make me keep going ;-)

Tina


On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Phong <leicaphong at gmail.com> wrote:

> Tina,
>
> The jewelry and husband bits caught my attention.  Obviously Chris C. does
> not know you, you who live modestly but so richly.
> Anyway, let me just take this opportunity to publicly say how much I admire
> your photographic work, the most meaningful on display here on the LUG.
> There's work by others which are more entertaining, more clever, more
> witty, but none that comes close to the honesty and humanity in yours.
>
> And dear lady, while you've done well with your photography stock, I think
> you might have done better with your friendship stock.
> If the day ever comes that your stock images do not buy your next Leica M,
> a few friends on the LUG and elsewhere might just step forward to cover the
> difference, just so that your work continues.  I would be terribly
> disappointed if that would not be the case.
>
> Cheers,
>
> - Phong
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 9:10 PM, Chris Crawford <
> chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com
> > wrote, in part:
>
> > Tina,
> >
> > This is a load of bullshit.
>
>
> You're letting your emotional attachment to a brand get the best of
> reason. That is not smart. Leica doesn't give a damn about you; they're a
> business, not a church. Being so emotionally invested in your gear just
> gives them justification to continue charging astronomical prices. You're
> a marketer's wet dream.
>
>
>
> I have not touched my Leicas since I got my Mamiya 6. The quality
> difference is incredible. Leica doesn't want or care about your business
> anyway. You got into the system decades ago, when photographers still made
> good money on average and Leicas were not much more expensive than Nikons.
> If you were starting out today, the only way you'd have a Leica is if your
> husband bought it for you.
>
>
> I've used Olympus OM gear since I was a kid,
> > and never had issues with soft edges, fringing, or chromatic aberration
> > with the Zuiko lenses, and they have good Bokeh. Never had those problems
> > with Pentax lenses either. If quality really mattered to you, you
> wouldn't
> > bother with 35mm anyway. A cheap Mamiya 645 will blow away ANYTHING you
> > shoot with Leica, no matter what Leica lens you use. I've shot both, and
> > it is NO CONTEST.
> >
> > I have not touched my Leicas since I got my Mamiya 6. The quality
> > difference is incredible. Leica doesn't want or care about your business
> > anyway. You got into the system decades ago, when photographers still
> made
> > good money on average and Leicas were not much more expensive than
> Nikons.
> > If you were starting out today, the only way you'd have a Leica is if
> your
> > husband bought it for you.
> >
> > That's not a slam on your abilities, its the reality of what working
> > photographers in Journalism earn now. I became a teacher because I got
> > damned tired of being f--king poor. Teaching is one of the very few
> middle
> > class jobs left here, and I still cannot afford a digital Leica on my
> pay.
> > My starting pay in the Ft. Wayne school system is more than the
> > photographers at our local papers earn, and all of them have been there
> > for over 20 years! You think any of these working photographers shoot
> with
> > Leica jewelry? Hell no. They shoot Nikon.
> >
> > You're letting your emotional attachment to a brand get the best of
> > reason. That is not smart. Leica doesn't give a damn about you; they're a
> > business, not a church. Being so emotionally invested in your gear just
> > gives them justification to continue charging astronomical prices. You're
> > a marketer's wet dream.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Chris Crawford
> > Fine Art Photography
> > Fort Wayne, Indiana
> > 260-437-8990
> >
> > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> >
> > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> > Become a fan on Facebook
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7/1/13 7:58 PM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote:
> >
> > >To me the camera matters.  I've used other cameras.  For stock or large
> > >enlargements, you examine the files at 100%.  There is no contest.  I
> hate
> > >chromatic aberrations, fringing, soft edges, awful bokeh - all of which
> > >you
> > >get with other lenses and other cameras.  With Leica cameras and Leica
> > >lenses, I don't worry about 100% examinations.  They are always good!
> > > Sometimes great.  If I'm going to spend my time and energy and money
> for
> > >travel to take photos, I'm not going to take a chance on an inferior
> > >camera
> > >or lens.
> > >
> > >Tina
> > >
> > >
> > >On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 7:01 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > >
> > >> Peter,
> > >>
> > >> I post pictures from my M9, my Olympus EP-1, my Pentax Kr, and my
> > >>iPhone 5.
> > >>
> > >> The most pleasurable to use is the M9, but I do sometimes need AF, and
> > >>thus
> > >> the other three get some amount of use.
> > >>
> > >> The quality of the "three" is not there, but I've learned to use them
> > >> appropriately, and with my editing eye, I can produce web postings
> that
> > >> satisfy, but the high detail of the Leica files enable me to do things
> > >>with
> > >> flowers that just are not possible with the others.  So, to me, the
> > >>camera
> > >> matters.  (I could wish for live view and a tilting Electronic
> > >>viewfinder
> > >> though.)  ;-)
> > >>
> > >> hmmm, (Sony?)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 1, 2013 at 5:40 PM, Peter Dzwig <pdzwig at 
> > >> summaventures.com
> > >> >wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > All,
> > >> >
> > >> > At the end of the day, whether we are using Leica, Fuji or something
> > >> else I
> > >> > don't doubt that Uncle Doctor Ted would impatiently remind us that
> > >>it's
> > >> us
> > >> > not
> > >> > the cameras that take the photos, and that if we are any good anyway
> > >>then
> > >> > the
> > >> > camera shouldn't matter a huge deal.
> > >> >
> > >> > Peter
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > On 26/06/2013 23:25, John McMaster wrote:
> > >> > > I really wonder if I would have bought into Leica if I was buying
> > >> > now..... I had not shot with nor knew anybody who owned one (I have
> > >>owned
> > >> > Canon, Nikon, Contax, Olympus, Hasselblad, LF etc and shot with a
> lot
> > >> more,
> > >> > all prime lenses etc) and thought the name was all image ;-)
> > >> > >
> > >> > > I was coming from an APS-C Nikon and was looking at Canon 5D II or
> > >>M9,
> > >> > at that time size (I knew I would not carry a DSLR) so went M9. If
> the
> > >> Fuji
> > >> > series was on the market at the time would I have bought that?
> > >> > >
> > >> > >>From http://zackarias.com/blog/
> > >> > >
> > >> > > "You see, for decades Leica was the shit for the traveling
> > >>journalist,
> > >> > street shooters, documentary photographers, etc. They are fantastic
> > >> cameras
> > >> > with an undeniable heritage. But here?s the deal. The folks who put
> > >>Leica
> > >> > on the map can?t afford them any longer. They are a boutique camera
> > >> > company. The working stiff can?t shell out close to $10,000 for a
> body
> > >> and
> > >> > a lens. Go price out 2 M?s, a 20mm ish lens, a 35mm, and a 75mm. Go
> > >>price
> > >> > that out. Then price out an x100s, an X-Pro1, and the Fuji 14mm,
> 35mm,
> > >> and
> > >> > 60mm lens. You still haven?t spent the price of a single Leica body
> > >>yet.
> > >> > Let alone two of them. And glass."
> > >> > >
> > >> > > With hindsight I would still go Leica, nothing to touch the lenses
> > >>for
> > >> > different looks and I prefer the simpler operation, but if I had not
> > >>used
> > >> > them what would make me spend 'rather a lot' more on Leica than
> Fuji?
> > >> Does
> > >> > 'full frame' or the build quality make enough of a difference for
> the
> > >> price
> > >> > jump to most people?
> > >> > >
> > >> > > john
> > >> > >
> > >> > > _______________________________________________
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> > information
> > >> > >
> > >> >
> > >> > --
> > >> >
> > >> > ===========================================================
> > >> > Dr Peter Dzwig
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > _______________________________________________
> > >> > Leica Users Group.
> > >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more
> information
> > >> >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Regards,
> > >>
> > >> Sonny
> > >> http://sonc.com/look/
> > >> Natchitoches, Louisiana
> > >>
> > >> USA
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> Leica Users Group.
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> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >--
> > >Tina Manley
> > >http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com
> > >
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-- 
Tina Manley
http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com


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