Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/07/02

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Subject: [Leica] Leica Cameras
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Tue, 2 Jul 2013 15:04:40 -0400
References: <CA+yJO1A1njdrKfEkZke8f9r9h=TMUAG1CxmR4CzR3rK7N3ruUw@mail.gmail.com> <CDF88F12.322FD%chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com>

Did you read anything I wrote?

Tina

On Tuesday, July 2, 2013, Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>
wrote:
> Tina, what I said about your husband having to buy you gear wasn't meant
> to be sexist. If you were not married, I'd have said your parents would
> have to do it, and if you were a man I'd say wife or parents depending on
> if you were married. Someone with money would have to buy you the gear you
> use if you were starting your career now because as a professional
> photographer, you would absolutely not earn enough yourself to do it. As I
> said in my original post, that is not a negative comment on the worth of
> your photographs, it is simply the economic reality in today's world where
> photojournalists are so poorly paid. As I said in my original post, I make
> more as a first year high school teacher than fulltime photojournalists I
> know who have 20-30 yrs experience!
>
> The kids at my school caused two of the older teachers to break down
> crying in their classrooms last year, and both quit teaching afterward. I
> had students say some shocking and horrible things to me when I first
> started but I just laughed it off. Once the kids realized that I wasn't
> going to get all emotional and lose my cool, they started to respect me
> and by the end of the school year they had come to like me.
>
> My point is that you shouldn't let yourself get too emotional about your
> gear or about what people say on the internet. Leica is not a member of
> your family, it is not a friend, and it is not God. It is a business, and
> like all businesses, it exists to make money, not to care about you or
> your photography.
>
> --
> Chris Crawford
> Fine Art Photography
> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> 260-437-8990
>
> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>
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>
>
>
> On 7/2/13 1:46 PM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote:
>
>>Thank you, Lluis.  Your opinion means a lot to me.  Being "just" a woman.
>>when I get emotional or angry, I cry.  It's hard to explain to Tom why I
>>have been sitting at the computer all morning crying.  I wrote the history
>>of my business to justify to myself and to him that I don't need to
>>excuses
>>or justifications or explanations ;-)  !  I'm going to spend the afternoon
>>wallpapering and dancing!
>>
>>Tina
>>
>>
>>On Tue, Jul 2, 2013 at 12:51 PM, Lluis Ripoll
>><lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> TINA,
>>>
>>> I had no time to follow the discussion, and neither I wan't continue on
>>> it, I have other things where I want employ my time. Just read few from
>>>Ted
>>> and you now and I would like just to add two cents. You Tina, you don't
>>> need explain neither justify your work, we know it, and I say once more
>>> congratulations for this. It is not your fault if you have make
>>>business,
>>> this is the target many of us wanted, it is not your fault if Leica is
>>> maybe the best camera system ever made, everyone can do his own choice,
>>>it
>>> is not your fault if you have bought or not bought any lens in the
>>>latest
>>> years, you don't need justify anything, just continue showing and
>>>letting
>>> us continue enjoy your work.
>>>
>>> Thank you for all of this, you have been very kind telling us all these
>>> things
>>>
>>> Saludos desde Barcelona!
>>> Lluis
>>>
>>> El 02/07/2013, a las 17:38, Tina Manley escribi?:
>>>
>>> > LEICA USERS GROUP -
>>> >
>>> > I have been a professional photographer since I incorporated my
>>>business
>>> in
>>> > 1980.  I have worked really hard to make my business self-supporting
>>>and
>>> it
>>> > is.  I worked for many years as a teacher until my photography
>>>business
>>> > began to bring in more money than teaching.  I bought my first Leica
>>>M6
>>> in
>>> > 1989 because my old Minolta SRT101 would not hold up to the extreme
>>> > conditions of my trips throughout the developing world, where most of
>>>my
>>> > assignments were.  I have used Leica M6, M4, M3, M2, M7, M8, M9 and MM
>>> > cameras.  I have Leica M lenses from the 21 to the 135.  All of my
>>>Leica
>>> > lenses are old.  I have not bought a Leica M lens in many years.  All
>>>of
>>> my
>>> > Leica cameras were bought and paid for with money from my business.
>>>As
>>> > digital cameras have improved, I have upgraded my Leica cameras.  If I
>>> had
>>> > not had to switch to digital for business reasons, I would still be
>>>using
>>> > my Leica film cameras.  None of my purchases were made for emotional
>>> > reasons.  Leicas perform for me.  I would not use them if they did
>>>not.
>>>  I
>>> > have never had a Leica camera fail that Leica did not repair quickly,
>>> > sending me lenders overnight.  I am sorry that the cameras are so
>>> expensive
>>> > but I do believe you get what you pay for.  In my experience, Leicas
>>>are
>>> > worth what I pay for them.  I have never used a Fuji camera or an
>>> Olympus.
>>> > I'm sure they are wonderful.  I hated the Canons I used when I first
>>> > switched to digital. At this stage of my life, I am not interested in
>>> > switching systems.  I am not interested in using medium format cameras
>>> and
>>> > cannot imagine carrying one to some of the places I travel.  Leicas
>>> happen
>>> > to be the perfect cameras for me and my work.  That's why I'm on a
>>>Leica
>>> > Users Group.  If you hate Leicas, perhaps you should be on another
>>>group!
>>> >
>>> > Tina
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > Tina Manley
>>> >

-- 
Tina Manley
http://tina-manley.artistwebsites.com


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