Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/25
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]Every time I see Mark's silly posts praising gear he hasn't used and will never own, I ask myself this: "Is Leica paying him for all the time he spends on his knees, or is he one of those dumb sluts who gives it up for free?" -- Chris Crawford Fine Art Photography Fort Wayne, Indiana 260-437-8990 http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 Become a fan on Facebook On 6/26/13 12:07 AM, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote: >Mark, > >In your fantasy land, you never consider the quality one gets for the >dollars spent. This is where Fuji kicks butt. Enough said! > >Jim Nichols >Tullahoma, TN USA >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> >To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2013 10:39 PM >Subject: Re: [Leica] AAAAARRRRRGGGGGHHHH!!! > > >> Well I hope my tone was clear I'm on your side for being the only one to >> mention the Leica brand on the thread I think it was an M240 you >> recommended. >> I was a bit put off by the unanimous consensus to get the Fuji system >> camera >> on the LUG today. Leica has moved far beyond this now. Cropped systems. >> The fuji is a half assed compromise. >> >> I don't feel if that's what your now saying that the fact that the Fuji >>is >> sold out that that makes it an item of interest for a list of supposed >> Leica >> lovers. It just means they made a camera marketed at the masses and is >> succeeding on that account. >> As far as APS-2 1.5x compacts go I'm ok with the ones with non >> interchangeable lenes. The idea of using my set of Leica glass on a >> cropped >> format with odd balance and limited compatibility does not excite me. >>But >> quite puts me off. >> The APS-C format is fine for me on a camera which goes into a pants >> pocket. >> I'd even go the Vario X route though it would need a coat pocket. >> The compact glass on the Leica X2 or Vario are made for that format. >> As are some other ones. >> >> Fujifilm X100s $1,299 1.5 crop >> Leica X2 $1,995 1.5 crop >> Nikon Coolpix A $1,097 1.5 crop >> Ricoh GR $797 1.5 crop >> Sigma DP1, 2 or 3. $999 with a sensor closer to 2x crop. >> >> But the camera to get of course is the Sony RX1 full frame. >> If I was not shooting with an M240 that would be my camera of choice. >> >> I'm afraid at this point I have no patience for an M9 and the money I'd >> have >> to pay for one. I see it as a failed camera. A nice try, but no cigar. >> The fact that its no longer made speaks for itself. >> It was strike two. >> And strike three is not going to happen for the new digital Leica >>company >> because the Leica M240 and Monochrom are huge winners taking the >>company >> up >> to a higher level which I'm excited about. One in which far more serious >> users are using rangefinder Leica gear. >> And the S Too. >> >> I'm not excited about people on the Leica list talking about a cropped >> fuji >> as if its a replacement for a full frame M. which it clearly isn't. >> I'd expect to hear such garbage on the fuji list if there is one. >> Or a bunch of computer geeks talking gadgets du jour. >> >> >> >> >> On 6/25/13 6:39 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> Mark I could be considered biased here ;-) >>> However just suggesting what may work best for Ric whose apparently now >>> facing a large repair bill for a previously repaired M8. Personally I >>> would be very frustrated in his position and very reluctant to spend >>>more >>> on the M8. I would maybe also be elevating my protest if the repair >>> agency >>> has said no to a warranty claim. Everyone's circumstance is different >>>and >>> their own of course. My understanding of that shutter problem was that >>> the >>> slower max speed ones ought to be better. The shutter unit is in any >>>case >>> a >>> standard Copal unit that has been in many many camera for years >>>including >>> I >>> think R cameras and the M9 too. I know nothing on any MTBF histories >>> though. >>> For what it's worth the excellent Fuji cameras are back ordered >>> everywhere >>> here as well... But you can pick up almost any M lens or a Monochrom >>>or >>> an >>> M-E or an X anything or even a Dlux jeans edition right off a shelf. >>>You >>> would wait longer for an M though...but my wait is over ;-) >>> On Jun 26, 2013 7:28 AM, "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Geoff you seem to be suggesting that someone on the LUG go out and >>>>buy a >>>> Leica camera. I can't even belive what I am reading. You are way off >>>> topic. >>>> This is the Fuji only zone. >>>> Here today gone tomorrow cameras only. >>>> >>>> >>>> On 6/25/13 5:16 PM, "Geoff Hopkinson" <hopsternew at gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I can only speak about the international warranty Ric where that is >>>>>the >>>>> case. I don't know the circumstances of the failure you got nor what >>>>> was >>>>> done of course. A camera that goes to Solms at least is assessed >>>> completely >>>>> when any paid service is performed and any additional work would be >>>> quoted >>>>> and everything adjusted to spec and guaranteed. For the M9 at least >>>>>at >>>> one >>>>> point you could buy an additional warranty period too. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Family and friends are everything.* >>>>> >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Geoff >>>>> http://www.pbase.com/hoppyman >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On 25 June 2013 21:32, RicCarter <ric at cartersxrd.net> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> would that were true--my other M8 died less than a year after Leica >>>>>> CLA. >>>>>> >>>>>> They refused to talk about repaair because they said they had not >>>> replaced >>>>>> the shutter. >>>>>> >>>>>> ric >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 25, 2013, at 5:27 AM, Geoff Hopkinson <hopsternew at gmail.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Pay for a CLA and then get twelve months warranty on the whole >>>>>>>camera >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> > > > >_______________________________________________ >Leica Users Group. >See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information