Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/06/23

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Subject: [Leica] M Monochrom review in PDN
From: images at comporium.net (Tina Manley)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2013 20:30:10 -0400
References: <CDEBF5C9.C010%mark@rabinergroup.com> <506236E5-B9D4-4939-B004-C531859A581F@gmail.com>

ETTR works but only when the contrast range of the scene is less than the
dynamic range of the sensor - according to Thomas Knoll according to Jeff
Schewe in The Digital Negative.  He says - "The concept of ETTR works only
when ;you can increase the exposure (catch more photons) without
sacrificing anything else in the image.  It's not about overexposing but
about properly exposing a capture to maximize the signal to noise ratio and
improve your image quality."  I think I'm going to give a talk on this at
the Leica seminar in Wisconsin in October.

Tina


On Sun, Jun 23, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> wrote:

> Agree. My default is to have EV set at -1/3. With some platforms you can
> set what pure white is on the in camera histogram. True for the new M240.
> Instead of clipping showing at 255/255/255 you can set it for 250 or 253 or
> whatever.
>
> There was a big stink about ETTR (expose to the right) awhile ago started
> by Michael Riechman and Co.  I understood the logic and math, but many
> people started exposing their histograms and highlights were blown. I
> remember one fellow who was showing prints with totally blown cloud
> centers. He thought his images were fantastic because he had more
> information to work with because he had really exposed to the right...
>
> So rarely clip is my working mantra: only with bright reflections
> intentionally. Shadows have tons more to recover...
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jun 22, 2013, at 9:46 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes and that's why if what I just clicked is something I really want to
> have
> > come out I check the back of the camera to make sure the high tones are
> > fully there. Check the histogram even. If not I  set the exposure over
> ride
> > down a bit more and click it again.
> > If I click on something in which I totally don't care then maybe I wont
> > check it as I'm walking away. And have regretted doing that.
> > As why I'm  I shooting it if I don't care? Best to trust our instincts
> > I err on the side of under exposure for sure.
> > Have great luck in bring up stuff out of the darks. Not the opposite..
> >
> >
> > On 6/22/13 11:52 PM, "John McMaster" <john at mcmaster.co.nz> wrote:
> >
> >> I am not disagreeing with you, but with colour digital it is unusual to
> have
> >> all three colours blown out so some recovery is possible. A blown
> highlight on
> >> a Monochrom is pure white with no tonal recovery, but I have not found
> it a
> >> huge issue in practice.
> >>
> >> john
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>
> >>> Another thought which caught me on his thing is he says the camera is
> not
> >>> tolerant of over exposure.
> >>> I'm wondering what camera was he using which WAS tolerant of over
> >>> exposure?
> >>> As as far as I know all digital cameras are very similar to shooting
> slides.
> >>> You don't over expose them. You place your high tones carefully and
> let the
> >>> dark tones fall where they may.
> >>> A statement like "this camera is not tolerant of over exposure" makes
> me
> >>> thing this is not a guy who has gotten into digital really.
> >>> I read him widely during the film era. I hope he's really  making the
> >>> transition.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 6/21/13 10:32 AM, "Tina Manley" <images at comporium.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Great review by Mason Resnick!  I agree with almost everything he says
> >>>> ;-)
> >>>>
> >>>> Tina
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On Thu, Jun 20, 2013 at 11:24 PM, Greg Rubenstein <gcr910 at 
> >>>> gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> PDN finally got around to it, I guess.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> http://www.pdnonline.com/gear/Camera-Review-Leica-
> >>> 8353.shtml?utm_sour
> >>>>> ce=Silve
> >>> rpop&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=41858219&utm_term=96312&ut
> >>> m_conten
> >>>>> t=
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Greg Rubenstein
> >>
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Tina Manley
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