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Subject: [Leica] Is Eggleston in the right? What is the meaning of "limited edition"?
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 21:03:31 -0400

Bret thought the prints Cole made and Bret only made a few were decidedly
not good.
I just thing you're ahead of the game when you're contact printing 8x10
negs.
You go to a gallery and the smallest prints are 16x20's maybe one or two
11x14's and the only 8x10's are the Weston's and they're going for many
times what the huge ones are going for. So they are not being in that sense
sold by the square inch.
Sure its Edward Weston's Vision but 8x10 contact prints sure help.
Its far from being a small thing a contact print over a projection print.
The photographers nowadays who shoot 8x10 never contact print them except
perhaps for proofing. I think they are doing themselves wrong.


On 4/10/13 6:42 PM, "Ken Carney" <kcarney1 at cox.net> wrote:

> Sorry to hear about the tens of thousands.  I was at a seminar taught by
> Cole and he had what he said was the last P30 he would print, for $2,500.
> At the time I thought it was a lot for a print I wasn't all that crazy 
> about
> anyway.  But that was 23 years ago when $2,500 was a lot more money.
> 
> Ken
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: lug-bounces+kcarney1=cox.net at leica-users.org
> [mailto:lug-bounces+kcarney1=cox.net at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of Mark
> Rabiner
> Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 10:45 AM
> To: Leica Users Group
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Is Eggleston in the right? What is the meaning of
> "limited edition"?
> 
> My unfortunate example which implies an Edward Weston complicates and blurs
> the issue as his sons Cole and Brett did his prints after he was stricken
> with Parkinson's under his rather close supervision and they go for tens of
> thousands and no one complains. That kind of thing like this pretty much
> stands alone.  Also my term" cranking out" does not fill the bill as you 
> say
> as to make a serious print is not at all factory like and requires a lot of
> time and water and wasted paper.
> 
> Ansel A. was excited by the idea that after he was dead people would be
> making prints from his not destroyed negs with "Laser beams."
> In other words technologies away from the tradition darkroom slodge and
> drudge. - involving stuff we can only imagine.
> It did not worry him that they may not in effect do the in effect dodging
> and burning right or if the executors of his estate lost money.
> I think as a result they made have made not lost money -  you can scan  one
> of his negs on the latest cutting edge scanner they'll invent tomorrow.
> This excites not offends me. And I'll gong to emulate that approached.
> Assuming that when the time comes anybody gives a rats ass about my  body 
> of
> work.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/10/13 10:40 AM, "Lottermoser George" <imagist3 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> On Apr 10, 2013, at 4:14 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>> 
>>> Why buy Pepper #6 for huge bucks if the artist is still alive
>>> cranking them out? Or his son is?
>> 
>> Except that "cranking out" dismisses the actual amount of time and
>> materials required to make a print which its creator would actually sign.
>> 
>> What is the total number of Pepper #6 prints in existence?
>> How many prints of Pepper #6 did Edward Weston make and sign himself?
>> How many did another family member make and sign?
>> 
>> I'd guess that Pepper #6 prints
>> in fine condition
>> signed by a Weston
>> remain relatively rare.
>> Why?
>> Because it's not all that easy to make a fine print.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> George Lottermoser
>> george at imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com
>> http://www.imagist.com/blog
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/imagist
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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