Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2013/03/23
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]I understood from the beginning this is a Forum for Leica fans. I have no experience with those brands mentionned. I can't and have no time or money for this (I'm not interested so to say). I am no snob and I sometimes use a P&S cameras (Sony Digital) even when I write an article or make a note. I made this choice many years ago and never regretted it, except for the prices and the R-8&9 and DMR saga. What I like in Leica is its glass in the first place and its precision, even with large enlargements, in the second place. Third, and I knew it before studying Photography; in Photography, you have to be clean...... and don't put too many things before or behind your lens if it's not really necessary. When I see a student coming with dirty pictures (digital or negative) and most of the time too late to deliver his work but with a lot of excuses I say it once; be in time and be clean for your work or go elsewhere, your clients will not pay you for that. When I see a spot on a print, be it with film or digital, I will never curse Leica, Hasselblad or Zeiss. I will simply think; "what have I done there?". Regards & have a nice W-E. Cedric 2013/3/24 Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com>: > Nathan, > My view is that Leica does not bother with these fripperies, because most > Leicas sold never come out of a cabinet, and therefore these irrelevant > things like dust spots affect only a very small minority of Leica *owners*. > (-: > Cheers > Jayanand > (Ducking quickly for cover) > > On Sun, Mar 24, 2013 at 2:00 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at > frozenlight.eu>wrote: > >> Sorry Cedric, but those old stories about Barnack etc., with which we are >> all familiar, have no relevance whatsoever to the subject at hand. Olympus >> came out with its SSWF technology in the E-1 in 2003, and within a couple >> of years it became standard on the other major brands--except Leica. I >> vaguely recall some engineering excuses for its absence on the M8 and >> later >> M9, but frankly speaking, as a user, I do not care about those excuses. >> All >> I know that with my inferior and much cheaper Pentax and Panasonic cameras >> I never have to clean the sensor and never have spots (and yes, I change >> lenses on those cameras at least as often as on the Leica), whereas on the >> Leica it is a recurring problem. >> >> No excuse. Putting liquids and swabs on sensors is just so pathetically >> 20th century. >> >> Nathan >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >> >> YNWA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Mar 23, 2013, at 8:41 PM, Cedric Agie wrote: >> >> > I do have some difficulties to agree with these humorous points of >> > vieuw. Of course photographers by definition must be able to have a >> > large point of vieuw. >> > >> >> From the beginning when Oskar Barnack had started playing with the >> > idea of taking pictures with a cine film, he, and later Leitz, its >> > technicians and engineers always did everything they could to improve, >> > but also to symplify this wonderfull camera. And certainly once >> > Grandfather Ernst Leitz I had decided to start its production. They >> > not only do everything to symplify production, but also in the vieuw >> > of after sales services i.e. repairs and maintenance (CLA etc). This >> > cuts costs during and after production, that's nothing new in the >> > economy. Don't forget Leicas are for a good part handmade, tuned and >> > checked. It went so far that Oscar Barnack asked to have his own >> > office next to the production hall with a large vieuw on it. He never >> > stopped improving and simplyfying a model even during production. >> > Break downs are often taken into consideration when cameras come back >> > to the factory. >> > >> > A simple example; if you can have a look at every possible model of >> > the M-4 since it came to the market. You will never see 2 identical >> > models if you take a very close look at it. Dimensions and look don't >> > change much but for ex the tiny screws that appear on the front of the >> > camera holding it together, not only don't have the same look, but you >> > will also find them at differend places as production was improved. >> > >> > Regarding the CCD and now CMOSIS captor, Leica tried to follow the >> > evolution of this technology verry closely and used it as soon as >> > possible. But they also have to do with it as it comes to market >> > i.e. to make a good camera that suits their potential clients at a >> > certain moment. I too cursed and fumbled at these tiny spots and specs >> > I saw in the beginning with my beloved M-9. In time I took more care >> > and precautions when changing lenses. Those of us if not most of us >> > will certainly remember we often had to fight against dust, dirt, >> > specs and tiny spots etc when we worked in the darkroom. Enlarging >> > color and developping Ektachromes made things even worse. Moving a >> > darkroom to another place had sometimes catastrophic consequences. >> > >> > There must be a way and a solvent that helps to clean the captor, >> > maybe the same way we clean our lenses i.e. carefully. But who knows >> > the formula of the contents of that magic and expensive bottle? Whe >> > certainly will find out sooner or later. I do have an idea. I will let >> > you know if I find out. >> > >> > Regards & have a good W-E. >> > >> > Cedric >> > >> > >> > >> > 2013/3/23 Bill Pearce <billcpearce at cox.net>: >> >> I have heard similar laments from owners of German cars, about >> mechanical >> >> issues not sensors. There is something about the Germans that I can't >> >> understand. I have heard it said that German engineering means why use >> two >> >> parts when ten will do? >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Nathan Wajsman >> >> Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2013 1:45 AM >> >> To: lug Group >> >> Subject: [Leica] Sensor frustration >> >> >> >> >> >> Why, oh why did Leica choose not to build in a sensor-cleaning system >> into >> >> their cameras, pioneered by Olympus many years ago? Because zat is not >> ze >> >> vay ve do it here, I suppose. But having spent 20 minutes fighting with >> >> spots on my M8 sensor, and probably having made the problem worse, I am >> just >> >> frustrated. Basically, my M8 is useless for any pictures with blue sky >> in >> >> them. >> >> >> >> Grumpy. >> >> >> >> Nathan >> >> >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> >> Alicante, Spain >> >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> >> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >> >> >> >> YNWA >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Leica Users Group. >> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Leica Users Group. >> >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Leica Users Group. >> > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information