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Subject: [Leica] From today -> Cedric
From: john at mcmaster.co.nz (John McMaster)
Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2013 19:22:06 +0000
References: <53FA74FA-F7C8-4777-B531-9437D583534B@gmail.com> <D4CC41411D7D4F8FB82D261F01028A16@jimnichols> <23BDA63B-10D2-40D6-A3A1-A12CDE5896A6@gmail.com> <CABNC8SokfV8ktgHph3ch2wd2bw8cn42B7Xx1W+sh15PTNUj4cQ@mail.gmail.com> <16A4F8DC-D1E3-442F-8E50-D562B133422F@gmail.com> <CABNC8SpqKmVJ31FdJKgt=dNKAJW4v+m9pfCr2QK1uyrY5=fftg@mail.gmail.com> <B122B581-37F8-4BDE-9D8C-AC47ED3AA123@gmail.com> <CABNC8SoM4+sY7j=4O103pegM0Y=wBLY6Zv++OHifYWNJFryvkQ@mail.gmail.com>

I think you are mistaking your APOs and asphs? Many more of the latter than 
the former (50/75/90)

john

> -----Original Message-----
> 
> Thank you for the info and analysis Lluis.
> I think you are right. The new Apo generation is certainly an improvement
> when used wide open. But is it worth paying double for one more stop?
> Not for me. In some cases I take a small or heavy tripod. It's astonishing 
> what
> you can do at night with an M-9 and a tripod.
> 
> Regards
> 
> Cedric
> 
> 2013/3/22 Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>:
> > Dear Cedric,
> >
> > Thank you, your details are very interesting, some years ago (film times)
> I've compared at different f stops with the camera in a tripod both: 
> Summilux
> 35 pre asph and Summicron 35 IV, in B&W and in color. IMO the Summilux set
> at infinity in low light conditions and wide open manages better the 
> flare, at
> f2 the Summicron is sharper, other differences up to this are in the toning
> scale reproduction. I color the rendition of the Summilux was smoother than
> the Summicron, this one produces more contrated colors. When I've
> purchased my Summicron IV in 1997, the Dealer (Robert White) that the new
> ASPH was appeared, the price difference was not the matter to decide, I've
> prefered take the "old" one and I have no complaints.
> >
> > The new Summilux 35 Asph is a superb lens, perfect! very expensive and
> bigger than my old Lux, I'm very happy with it!
> >
> > Cheers
> > Lluis
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > El 22/03/2013, a las 12:51, Cedric Agie escribi?:
> >
> >> Dear Lluis,
> >>
> >> Thank you verry much for your interesting informations and personnal
> >> remarks. Comments from a photographer who has a good experience in
> >> the field is most important to me. Over the years I had several
> >> Summilux's 35mm M to test but was not alway satisfied with the
> >> results, having a verry good Summicron 35mm M (made about 1972-1973)
> >> and a Summaron 35
> >> f:2.8 M. I know these 2 well because I enlarged a lot of pictures in
> >> B&W and color myself up to format 30X40 cm with both my Focomat IC
> >> and IIC. In my opinion both lenses are equal at the same openings,
> >> except
> >> f/2 of course.
> >>
> >> When I made this remark to a good old friend at Leitz Wetzlar at the
> >> time he smiled largely and agreed discreetly.
> >>
> >> So recently I received this Sumilux 35mm M I mentionned. I know this
> >> lens perfectly because my friend took most of the 35 mm pictures of
> >> ou marriage with it.
> >> I personally teached him color photography and chemistry in his
> >> personnal darkroom. I never saw any difference with my own Summicron,
> >> be it in B&W or color.
> >> He showed me several pictures taken with this lens with Kodachrome in
> >> low light in an obscure cathedral. Simply razor sharp so to say. I
> >> made no mistake in buying this lens.
> >>
> >> When he bought himself the latest Apo Summilux 35mm M he was so
> >> enthousiastic with the results he gave me his own Summilux 35mm M. I
> >> will never regret it. First results with my M-9 look excellent both
> >> in B&W and color.
> >>
> >> Thank you again and kind regards,
> >>
> >> Cedric
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/3/21 Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>:
> >>> Hi Cedric,
> >>>
> >>> According to the S/N my lens was made in 1983. I like very much this
> lens, with film (B&W) it gave me very rich range of grey with very nice
> smooth contrast, at f 1.4 is not a very sharp and contrasted lens, but for 
> me it
> does his job, I like too that it is very small. Compared with the 
> Summicron 35
> (IV) this one is more sharp and contrasted, it is also a lens I like very 
> much.
> With the M8 the Lux 35 perform particularly well, it is the usual lens I 
> have
> always attached. I'm not a technical man in the sense that I don't take 
> care
> about many technical concepts, what I'm interested is how the lens shows
> the atmosphere I like in my pictures. If I compare it with the Summilux 50
> (year 1967) the 50 is better wide open or at high apertures, it is more
> "crispy".
> >>>
> >>> Probably every one of us has different motivations to find with a
> >>> lens, for my own use I'm very happy with my older lenses
> >>>
> >>> Thanks for looking ad for your kind comment!
> >>>
> >>> Cheers
> >>> Lluis
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> El 21/03/2013, a las 11:20, Cedric Agie escribi?:
> >>>
> >>>> I like your color and B&W pictures Lluis. I noticed you used a pre
> >>>> Asph Summi 35 M wide open.
> >>>> Could you tell me when it was made (probably according to its serial
> n?)?
> >>>> I have one myself. It's one of the first that is in pristine
> >>>> condition and that gives perfect pictures.
> >>>> And since differend series were made in the pre Asph era I'm much
> >>>> interested by the results you got and the experience you have with it.
> >>>> According to a good Leica relation I heard not all Summis were
> >>>> always equal. Older Pros gladly accepted the Summi 35 M but didn't
> >>>> really trust the one in 50mm.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards
> >>>>
> >>>> Cedric
> >>>>
> >>>> 013/3/21 Lluis Ripoll <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>:
> >>>>> Thank you Jim, I think so but on these cases I wait sometime to
> >>>>> decide
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cheers
> >>>>> Lluis
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> El 21/03/2013, a las 00:44, Jim Nichols escribi?:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Lluis,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Nice work.  I have to pick the color image in this case.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Jim Nichols
> >>>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lluis Ripoll"
> >>>>>> <lluisripollquerol at gmail.com>
> >>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 20, 2013 5:43 PM
> >>>>>> Subject: [Leica] From today
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> First all my apologies to different messages about Barcelona, we
> have at home our grandchildren, this is a really joy, but also it is 
> difficult have
> free time.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Shoot today, initially I was sure about the color version, once 
> >>>>>>> I've
> do the conversion to B&W I like both, for this reason I share both.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Color
> >>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/L1030560.jpg.
> >>>>>>> html>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> B&W (conversion with Silver Efex Pro 2)
> >>>>>>> <http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/luisrq/Barcelona/L1030560BN.jp
> >>>>>>> g.html>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Leica M8, Summilux 35 pre asph Wide Open
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for looking, your c&c are welcome,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Saludos cordiales
> >>>>>>> Lluis
> >>>>>>>


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