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Subject: [Leica] Some artifacts at the Computer History Museum IMG:
From: frank.dernie at btinternet.com (FRANK DERNIE)
Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2012 17:28:04 +0000 (GMT)
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Hi Piers,
your software could have been running alongside mine then, since I was at IC!
Your card punching was much more onerous than ours though, at Imperial there 
was a room with half a dozen punch machines we could use (as long as there 
was one free).
Frank



>________________________________
> From: Piers Hemy <piers.hemy at gmail.com>
>To: 'Leica Users Group' <lug at leica-users.org> 
>Sent: Friday, 21 December 2012, 17:23
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Some artifacts at the Computer History Museum IMG:
> 
>1970-71? 
>
>Me too, but in my last year at (high) school, taking an elective course. The
>school had something like 30 minutes each month on the Imperial College
>mainframe in London, which involved gathering together the punched cards
>from the class, sending down to London by Royal Mail, receiving back the
>print out which was then split out to each user. I should clarify that the
>cards were pre-semi-punched, meaning that the user had to use a pin to push
>out the chads from each row/column by hand to code the desired character. 
>
>It took a while to do one line of code, even after the time it took to learn
>the fundamentals of Fortran IV programming! 
>
>And then it took a while to get the response back from the mainframe. 
>
>By post. 
>
>Two ways. 
>
>(I guess that was half-duplex transmission!).
>
>I remember the impatient waiting for the print-out to come back, but my
>memory of reading it is very clear...
>
>XXX SYNTAX ERROR LINE 100 XXX
>
>The school later graduated to having its own ICL1900 (if memory serves) on
>site, long after I had left. Wouldn't have made any difference to my
>skill-level!
>
>Piers
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: lug-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com at leica-users.org
>[mailto:lug-bounces+piers.hemy=gmail.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf Of 
>FRANK
>DERNIE
>Sent: 21 December 2012 08:31
>To: Leica Users Group
>Subject: Re: [Leica] Some artifacts at the Computer History Museum IMG:
>
>Hi Nathan,
>that -was- sadistic!
>I started writing software in 1970/71. All on punched cards. I also never
>dropped a stack, but I know people who did!
>Back then the university had 2 computers, an IBM 370 and a CDC 6600 IIRC,
>for the entire university. Mind you only engineers and other scientists used
>computers there.
>FD
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>> From: Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>>To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> 
>>Sent: Friday, 21 December 2012, 6:18
>>Subject: Re: [Leica] Some artifacts at the Computer History Museum IMG:
>> 
>>Fascinating! I had a sadistic computer science teacher in my first semester
>of university, in 1980, who made us punch cards because he wanted us
>experience how things were done when he was young...fortunately, I never had
>the experience of dropping the stack on the floor.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>Nathan
>>
>>Nathan Wajsman
>>Alicante, Spain
>>http://www.frozenlight.eu
>>http://www.greatpix.eu
>>PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>>Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>>
>>
>>YNWA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>On Dec 21, 2012, at 6:55 AM, Herbert Kanner wrote:
>>
>>> Fellow LUGers, 
>>> 
>>> I have been a volunteer at the Computer History Museum since 2003,
>starting as a documenter of artifacts. That is, in collaboration with a
>partner, the partner often being a paid staff member, we would enter
>characteristics of the object in question into a horribly complex database.
>Things such as dimensions, weight (if it was small enough to be picked up),
>place of manufacture, etc., etc., including all numbers that could be found
>on the object: model numbers, serial numbers, goddam numbers, you name it.
>Then we would photograph it with a point & shoot. 
>>> 
>>> One of the tasks for which I eventually volunteered was editing those
>damn photographs. Considering how foolproof a P$S is, I was just amazed at
>how badly some of the volunteers would handle a camera. Many of the pix just
>had to be thrown out.
>>> 
>>> After a couple of years of this, I thought it would be fun to become a
>docent. At the time, all that could be seen by visitors was in one large
>room, and the formal docent training was an hour in which they showed us
>where all the emergency exits from the building were.
>>> 
>>> In 2012 a brand new $20 million exhibit opened ($15 having been
>contributed by Bill Gates) and some formal docent training ensued, led by a
>lady who had trained docents at two art museums: Getty and Cantor)
>>> 
>>> I took a few pictures yesterday of museum artifacts. Not wanting to
>overwhelm people, I will post them two or three at a time, with a bit of
>explanation of what they are. The light in there is really weird, being a
>mixture of ordinary incandescent, window light, and deliberately colored
>light. Also, some, not today's, had to be shot at ISO 2600 (flash not
>permitted, and I've given it up anyway), so we'll see how good noise
>reduction is.
>>> 
>>> For today: 
>>> 
>>> The Babbage Difference Engine #2. This is a working machine, and we
>demonstrate it once each day that the Museum is open. There are two of them
>in the world; the other is in the London Science Museum. We are the only
>ones who still demonstrate it regularly, as a result of which it requires
>regular maintenance with occasional major repairs. What the machine does is
>by addition only, it evaluates seventh degree polynomials to seven places of
>accuracy--such polynomials can be satisfactory approximations to other
>functions such as logarithms and trig functions.
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/herbk1/L1002678.jpg.html
>>> 
>>> The U.S. Constitution requires a census every ten years. That word does
>not actually appear there; it's called "enumeration". The purpose is to
>establish how many Representatives a state is entitled to. In the
>Constitution a (white) person counted as one, a slave as 3/5 of a person,
>and a red-skin didn't count at all. Now Congress in it's wisdom decided that
>if these guys were out counting heads, they might as well ask a few useful
>questions. The resulting data, in 1880, took seven years to process. Because
>the population was growing, the most optimistic estimate was that it would
>take eleven years to process the data in 1890. Herman Hollerith proposed a
>method of dealing with the data by using punched cards, which by no
>coincidence turned out to be the same size and shape as the currency at the
>time. Here is the machine which read the cards. The card was put on a
>platform and the handle depressed. Wherever there was a hole, a pin would go
>through the
>hole and complete an e
>>le
>>> ctric circuit. The counters that you see are like clocks, which a large
>hand and a small one. Each clock could count up to ten thousand.
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/herbk1/L1002660.jpg.html
>>> 
>>> Here is a crude device that was used to punch the cards, a pantograph.
>>> 
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/herbk1/L1002662.jpg.html
>>> 
>>> After Hollerith retired, some investors who had already bought a company
>that made time clock and a calculating grocery scale bought Hollerith's
>company. Eventually they hired as CEO a guy who had been fired by National
>Cash Register. That guy got rid of the clocks and scales and eventually
>renamed the company International Business Machines, later renamed IBM. His
>name was Thomas J. Watson.
>>> 
>>> Enjoy,
>>> 
>>> Herb
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Herbert Kanner
>>> kanner at acm.org
>>> 650-326-8204
>>> 
>>> Question authority and the authorities will question you.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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