Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/12/01
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]It was a viable choice using an M. That's why we're here. There is such a thing as Leica photography done by top people it was not just for stupid rich people. Up in to the 90's lots of the top photographers many of them in Magnum did exactly that. They bought a Leica body and Leica glass instead of using SLR's and big fat 2.8 zooms. I did in the 90's. I'm not saying I'm a "top" photographer just a photographer. I shot on my seamless white backdrop with a 90 APO ASPH and the difference was evident over my previous work with an 80-200 or 105 or 80. Or 200. At first I got my m6 for my street fine art work but then I immediacy lost all interest in my Nikons expect for macro work. I was not alone any time you saw a bunch of photographers there was usually always one shooting with an M. maybe two. It was a viable choice. By the way I never bought nor do I ever expect to by a 2.8 zoom. Mark William Rabiner Photography http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > From: John McMaster <john at mcmaster.co.nz> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 22:35:24 +0000 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use > > Thanks, however I do not see it as realistic for a pro photographer to buy > a > couple of Leica bodies and a clutch of lenses over a Canikon with f2.8 > zooms > (and f1.4 primes) - the end market is unlikely to see a difference for > xtimes > the investment. I know there is a difference in quality, and possibly if a > few > photographers start to use Leica then others will see the difference and > 'need' to 'keep up' by buying into it, however it may be a few months > before > they can get what they want whereas almost any camera store has the base > kit > needed for either Japanese marque. > > john > >> -----Original Message----- >> >> Not saying you are not a Leica lover. Just a bit of a pessimist where >> Leica >> is >> concerned. >> >> Mark William Rabiner >> Photography >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >> >> >>> >>> I am quite happy to be wrong, just I doubt it ;-) Are you saying that >>> I am not a Leica lover? >>> >>> john >>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> >>>> John you're just a Love and Leica lovers will hope you're wrong. >>>> >>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>> Photography >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> I think you will find that few (anybody?) who will be backing Mark's >>>>> view for the Leica resurgence in the pro/photojournalist market..... >>>>> >>>>> john >>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >>>>>> Time will tell. Shall we set a date and start a LUG pool? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>>> >>>>>> I agree Frank the M8 and 9 were a great thing for Leica and a >>>>>> success from many angles. Has kept them in the game and selling >>>>>> lenses and making a profit. They only area it has been less >>>>>> successful is its market has not included top visible pros so they >>>>>> were forced to do some deal with Magnum to pay them to use the >> gear >>>>>> and it was an >>>> awkward PR move. >>>>>> As I said I am hoping and I do believe it will be true that the >>>>>> Digital M with its CMOS sensor and ability to match current DSLR'S >>>>>> in iso range and everything else will change that. We'll see like >>>>>> in the 1990s a fair amount of top shooters using them. One in every >> pack. >>>>>> As it stands now we are not seeing a fair amount of top shooters >>>>>> using them not present company excluded. So that will be nice when >>>>>> that is no longer the case. >>>>>> >>>>>> Leica has always depended on the fact that though it may be called >>>>>> antiquated by the madding masses it has been the whole time used by >>>>>> a select group of very top pros and very top amateurs. But the m8 >>>>>> m9 era did not include this. >>>>>> >>>>>> I am excited about the New Leica Digital numberless M and where >>>>>> Leica is headed. >>>>>> >>>>>> By the way I've not heard anything about the S system not working >>>>>> out in any way. I think its way too early to tell and all signs >>>>>> point to its taking over the modern photo universe and leaving no >>>>>> prisoners. I think it will significantly edge into the Fuji >>>>>> Hasselblad medium format world. As seen when we watched Steve >>>>>> McCurry shoot in Rio the babes and interesting women. >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> Photography >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Frank Dernie <Frank.Dernie at btinternet.com> >>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:25:16 +0000 >>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The digital Leica Ms have been a fantastic success for Leica. They >>>>>>> have been in great demand, with months of waiting lists and the >>>>>>> increase in demand has doubled the used value of some of the >> lenses. >>>>>>> The thing that has been a massive failure for Leica has been their >>>>>>> reflex cameras. However good they are they have never sold in >>>>>>> sufficient quantity to recoup design, development and tooling costs. >>>>>>> Being loyal to their R customers nearly bankrupted the company, so >>>>>>> they were absolutely right (disappointingly) to eventually drop the >>>>>>> R. >>>>>>> In the quantities a Leica reflex is likely to sell the S2 is >>>>>>> perhaps a good choice. Dearer to develop and make than a 36x24 >>>>>>> DSLR, but probably not by much, yet possible by virtue of the >>>>>>> cache of its bigger sensor to sell at a price which gives half a >>>>>>> chance of washing its face financially. I hope they sell sufficient >>>>>>> of >> them. >>>>>>> The Nikon F was a watershed camera. It has a massively crude >>>>>>> mirror and shutter assembly but, guess what, nobody cared and it >>>>>>> was solid and relatively inexpensive with excellent lenses. It >>>>>>> changed >> everything. >>>>>>> FD >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 30 Nov, 2012, at 22:51, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Leica distanced itself from its large loyal fan base in 1963 >>>>>>>> after the Nikon F took over in very few years after that it was a >>>>>>>> niche market which appealed to connoisseurs. >>>>>>>> Its had 50 years expense in not being on the top of the market >>>>>>>> but the bottom. Of the mass market that is. Its fairly happy >>>>>>>> being where it >>>>>> was. >>>>>>>> Problem was with the non total success of the digital M's it went >> lower. >>>>>>>> Now I think with the digital numberless M its back to where it >>>>>>>> was in the 90's. Very small but very much there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>>> Photography >>>>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information