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Subject: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E the cheap nikon 28-80
From: mark at rabinergroup.com (Mark Rabiner)
Date: Sat, 01 Dec 2012 15:42:58 -0500

For two solid weeks I've been shooting with a normal zoom nikon kit lens of
the pervious film fueled decade.
The Nikon 28-80mm f/3.3-5.6G

On my D700

Straight from the dark side:
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/28-80mm-g.htm

" The Nikon 28-80mm G is a dinky 7-ounce (190g) plastic zoom with incredibly
good performance."
" Incredible means unbelievable. The performance of this lens is so good
that no one will believe it possibly can come from a lens this cheap."

Cheap means 50 bucks.

" The Nikkor 28-80mm G is one of Nikon's most popular lenses of all time.
Nikon made over a million and a half of these, so you will find them
everywhere. Mine came attached to an N55."

I bought an N55 so I could get this lens. I used the camera once.

" The front element is a compound aspherical. This means Nikon glues a thin
plastic corrector over another spherical glass element, giving the
performance of an aspherical lens at a low price"








Mark William Rabiner
Photography
http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/


> From: Aram Langhans <leica_r8 at hotmail.com>
> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Date: Sat, 1 Dec 2012 09:55:32 -0800
> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E
> 
> That's what I have gathered.  But as you say, expensive, and indeed heavy.
> One of my prime considerations for lens choice is weight, as I hike all 
> over
> with them.  They could be with me for 10 hours in a day.  I thought the
> 35/70 was heavy at one time, but nothing compared to my current Nikon
> 24-120/4 I bought at the last minute to substitute for the 35/70 when I
> dropped it and broke it a few weeks before a two month trip, so I needed
> something.  the 24/120 was lighter and smaller than the 24-70/2.8
> 
> Aram
> 
> 
> --------------------------------------------------
> From: <grduprey at mchsi.com>
> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 10:54 PM
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E
> 
>> Aram,
>> 
>> I will try to do it this weekend.  However, I can tell you the 24/70 f2.8
>> is a real gem of a lens.  Fast focussing, quiet and sharp.  Also
>> expensive.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Gene
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 9:01:21 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E
>> 
>> Would love to see the 35/70 R vs the 24/70 N.  I am considering the D600,
>> but will have to replace my Nikon DX 10-24 with something.  In looking at
>> what Nikon has to offer for FF in that range, I cringe at every review
>> when
>> they talk about the massive amount of distortion, or the edge performance.
>> That seems to be universal for zooms with Nikon and Canon and xxxx.  But I
>> have never noticed much with the 35/70 R.  But have never done any
>> objective
>> tests.  Hope you have the time to make this comparison.
>> 
>> Aram
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: grduprey at mchsi.com
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 2:50 PM
>> To: Leica Users Group
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E
>> 
>> Frank,
>> 
>> No I have not seen any comparisons of the DMR and D800E.  Can't comment on
>> the D800, but I do have a D4, and just off the top, the DMR does a fair
>> job
>> against the D4 for an 8? year old design.  Although I have not made a side
>> by side comparison of images.  The D4 kills the DMR when it comes to high
>> ISO, and kills just about anything else in that category.  The D4 is very
>> waterproof, from recent experience, where the DMR may not be as good, as I
>> keep it out of the rain when I am not shooting, but it has not had any
>> glitches when it did get wet, but I worry about the motor to camera
>> interface not being too water tight.  They are both heavy, pretty close
>> actually, the DMR on the R8 is a bit shorter than the D4.  Turn on is much
>> slower with the DMR, and so is write speed.  The buffer on the DMR is very
>> small, where the D4 buffer is vast and you can shoot rapidly with no
>> problem
>> of the camera slowing down (great for bird in flight photos), although i
>> would bet Doug would out do it with the DMR and a single click ;).  The
>> R8DMR is a bit quieter, noise wise, but the D4 beats the D800 or D700 by
>> light years in this area.  I prefer the simplicity of the DMR controls
>> over
>> those of the D4, although the D4 controls are well laid out, when compared
>> to earlier Nikon DSLRs, and definitely better than Canon DSLRs.  You can
>> get
>> D4 batteries, where the DMR batteries are rarer than Hen's Teeth, and must
>> be rebuilt or use an external source if you cannot get them rebuilt.  The
>> charge also lasts way longer than the DMR's batteries, although they are
>> not
>> cheap by any measure.  The auto focus on the D4 is simply AMAZING! It
>> locks
>> on very fast and no hunting at all, even in low light, MF with the D4 and
>> older MF Nikkors is very good also, as it has a bright view finder (but
>> not
>> as quite as bright as the R8 I think).  MF on the DMR is getting a bit
>> slow
>> with my 64 year old eyes, but still works good in most light levels. Build
>> for both is excellent, but would give the D4 a bit of a nod here, due to
>> the
>> previously mentioned motor to camera body interface of the DMR.  I will go
>> out this weekend and do a side by side image test of the two, probably
>> with
>> the 180/2.8 MF Nikkor, and the 180/3.4 R APO lenses (Similar vintage
>> lenses), don't have any other similar lenses to compare.  But could do a
>> comparison of my 35~70R zoom and my 24~70 AF-S Nikkor zoom.  Any thing I
>> have not covered, that you would like to know?
>> 
>> CHEERS,
>> Gene
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Frank Filippone" <red735i at verizon.net>
>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2012 1:22:20 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central
>> Subject: [Leica] Comparison of DMR to Nikon D800E
>> 
>> Has anyone seen a comparison of the DMR and the Nikon D800E?  Using Leica
>> glass, of course.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Frank Filippone
>> 
>> Red735i at verizon.net
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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