Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/30

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Subject: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use
From: leowesson at gmail.com (Leo Wesson)
Date: Fri, 30 Nov 2012 07:43:55 -0600
References: <CCDD79FD.21655%chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com> <CCDD7D10.26EF3%mark@rabinergroup.com> <20121130004812.2699ab85@linux-mh41.site> <CA+yJO1BuUFm9rS1iEnCQQvwPt0GkheMR67eaYr3Q-rHwNOHzNw@mail.gmail.com>

Long lenses are the reason I shoot professionally with Nikons. If I didn't 
have that need, I wouldn't own DSLRs. I'd be all M9.  

Leo Wesson
www.leowesson.com

On Nov 30, 2012, at 6:29, Tina Manley <images at comporium.net> wrote:

> One of my M8's has been back to Leica after I dropped in on a marble floor
> in India.  Both of them were under water in Honduras.  My M9 has never been
> back except to have the Noctilux matched to it.  I guess I'm just lucky!
> 
> Tina
> 
> On Fri, Nov 30, 2012 at 12:48 AM, Phil Forrest
> <photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote:
> 
>> Nope, won't happen.
>> The Leica M9 failure rate was far too high for news professionals to
>> consider using them for work. It's a fun hobby camera but for the hard
>> working journalist, the Leica doesn't cut it. Both my M8 and M9 spent
>> about 40% of the time I owned them out at Leica for repairs. I
>> personally know owners of a total of nine other M9s in the Philadelphia
>> area and every single one of them had to go back to Leica a few times.
>> One of my friends went through three shutters in his M8 then two
>> shutters and a sensor in his M9. And he's a working pro in Philly who
>> luckily has Canon gear for backup but while his Leica was out at the
>> factory, the backup became the regular camera.
>> 
>> All of the digital Leicas I have seen have had to have sensors remapped
>> or replaced due to the hot pixel / vertical line issues. So, about 20
>> digital Leica M bodies in the Philly area that are owned by
>> acquaintances of mine and 100% of them had to be repaired. Not reliable
>> enough for a premium product. For a camera that costs that much, it
>> should not only be reliable, it should be PERFECT.
>> 
>> You said the M9 was going to be the game changer a few years ago, Mark.
>> It didn't happen. It drove myself and two of my friends AWAY from Leica
>> as a matter of fact due to their incredible expense, slow service, and
>> then their declining support for the still excellent M8.
>> 
>> So again, we won't see Leicas taking their place in the journalism
>> world. Everyone knew the rangefinder was on its way out by 1960, so
>> why would that change today?
>> 
>> Phil Forrest
>> 
>> 
>> On Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:58:56 -0500
>> Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I do think though the M9 worked and the M is going to work a whole lot
>>> better and there are a huge amount of used Leica glass out there in a
>>> gamut of price points. Pros are familiar with what Leica rangefinders
>>> have done in the not too distant past and will be interested like
>>> they always have in what that might add to their work. I think the M
>>> is going to be a huge success for Leica and we'll be seeing articles
>>> about pros using them for jobs. We didn't wee that with the M9. We
>>> will see it with the M. Imagine shooting an f1 lens @ iso 6400! And
>>> video clips. I think the new M will get Pro support in the market;
>>> and Leica will be back in the hot spot at least where they were in
>>> the 90's. When sure a small amount of shooter used Leica but in each
>>> group there usually was at least one.
>>> 
>>> Mark William Rabiner
>>> Photography
>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 20:52:31 -0500
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Cameras Real Pros Use
>>>> 
>>>> Nikon and Canon digital SLRs are used by 99% of the world's
>>>> professionals. Why? Because they're extremely reliable, have
>>>> extensive lens and accessory systems, and those companies are the
>>>> cutting edge technological leaders....and despite all that, they
>>>> cost less than Leicas.
>>>> 
>>>> Professional photographers of all types are hurting economically
>>>> today, and that is especially true of journalists. They're poorly
>>>> paid, and newspapers have been shedding staff photographers to save
>>>> money. Leica has simply priced itself out of the professional
>>>> market. It really is that simple. On top of that, Leica's digital
>>>> cameras have had a lot of well-publicised technical and reliability
>>>> problems. Pros need cameras that "Just Work", every time. Canon and
>>>> Nikon cameras "Just Work". The lenses are affordable. The image
>>>> quality is magnificent. Using Nikon or Canon is a no-brainer.
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Chris Crawford
>>>> Fine Art Photography
>>>> Fort Wayne, Indiana
>>>> 260-437-8990
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>>>> 
>>>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work!
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
>>>> Become a fan on Facebook
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/29/12 8:41 PM, "David Ching" <davidhhching1 at yahoo.com.sg>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Come on, don't tease, tell us all. Which one/s? Why, if you know
>>>>> the reasons.
>>>>> 
>>>>> And why not Leicas?
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> David Ching
>> 
>> 
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>> 
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> 
> -- 
> Tina Manley, ASMP
> www.tinamanley.com
> 
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