Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/11/12
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]As a friend of mine always used to say "you're entitled to your opinion and if you want to be wrong that is your right". I know I am very happy with my kit and it does everything I ask with excellent back-up from Fujifilm. Gerry Gerry Walden +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or +44 (0)797 287 7932 www.gwpics.com On 12 Nov 2012, at 15:46, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> wrote: > I would hate to disturb you from you personal slamming diatribes that > you've > got all worked out to the fact that you do knee jerk slams whenever you see > any of my posts and don't bother reading them its not about the issues of > which we are speaking but making personal just against me personally. > But a basic axiom of photography which believe it or not is the issue at > hand. > You want to shoot a mural for the wall of grand central station a Minox is > not your first choice but as large a format as you've got accesses to. > If you are doing thumbnail sized jpegs for a website that sure use a pinky > nail sensor. > That's all that's meant but the very basic and never before today > questioned > axiom of final output being a defining factor of photographic technique. > > But we're not talking about that are we we are just slamming me personally! > > Mark William Rabiner > Photography > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ > > >> From: Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 21:03:33 +0530 >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. >> >> Mark, >> If only you had hands on experience on what you prattle on about, I would >> take you a lot more seriously. As it is, as far as I am concerned, you are >> a humorous aside on the list, considering the fact that you have not even >> lifted any camera that you are so eager to expound on, nor seen any output >> on which to base your flights of fancy, whether for the positive or the >> negative. Who can ever take you seriously, except at their own risk? Of >> course you suffer from Confirmation Bias, you talk yourself into believing >> your own mythical positions! I suggest you give this book a good read and >> ruminate on it for a bit for your own good: >> >> http://www.amazon.com/Thinking-Fast-Slow-Daniel-Kahneman/dp/0374275637/ref=la_ >> B001ILFNQG_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1352734206&sr=1-1 >> >> Cheers >> Jayanand >> >> >> >> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 8:40 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Actually Jayanand and Gerry the fact that photography is output defined >>> is >>> not really my little quirky opinion here that I came up with after two >>> cups >>> of coffee but a basic piece of photo teaching and technique since day >>> one >>> and has been discused on the lug for a decade as a starting point of fact >>> that no ones ever thought to contest as to do so would be pure idiocy. >>> You sit down in your first photo class put your smart phones away the >>> teacher takes attendance and then says "first of all photography is an >>> output dependent thing". >>> " Confirmation Bias" is an exciting bit of rhetoric you've dug up it >>> simply >>> has nothing at all do do with my post which I doubt you'd even read. >>> >>> >>> Mark William Rabiner >>> Photography >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>> >>> >>>> From: Gerry Walden <gerry.walden at me.com> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2012 06:26:39 +0000 >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. >>>> >>>> Absolutely! >>>> >>>> Gerry Walden >>>> +44 (0)23 8046 3076 or >>>> +44 (0)797 287 7932 >>>> www.gwpics.com >>>> >>>> On 12 Nov 2012, at 02:48, Jayanand Govindaraj <jayanand at gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I am amazed at the amount of Confirmation Bias rampant on the list! (-: >>>>> It is an exceedingly dangerous mindset.... >>>>> Cheers >>>>> Jayanand >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 12, 2012 at 5:42 AM, Mark Rabiner <mark at >>>>> rabinergroup.com> >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Your whole photo deal is output defined. >>>>>> If all you're doing is uploading jpegs which are a few hundred pixies >>>>>> across >>>>>> then its not really worth it to spend a lot of money on good camera >>> bodies >>>>>> with larger sensors and glass. You can use a point and shoot with a >>> smaller >>>>>> sensor than 1.5 or 2x crop. If you are somehow making it so people can >>>>>> download large files from your work then its up a notch. And Printing >>>>>> brings >>>>>> out the worst and best about your gear. So if you have a print >>> portfolio, >>>>>> you hang shows or otherwise you print a lot its worth it to be very >>>>>> selective about your gear. >>>>>> And I doubt there's going to be a better way to go then with a Leica M >>> no >>>>>> number afterward and farily current Leica glass. >>>>>> Leica S though is going to be a big notch up from that. >>>>>> Would love to see direct comparisons between the same subject matter >>> shot >>>>>> with both systems. >>>>>> S and M. ( get it!?) >>>>>> And Leica M against canon and Nikon DSLR'S that everyone else is >>> shooting. >>>>>> >>>>>> I cant wait to see my first Leica M movie. Shot with Summicrons. >>>>>> Reminds me of the taste of wild hickory nuts.... >>>>>> >>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>> Photography >>>>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> From: Bob Adler <rgacpa at gmail.com> >>>>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:18:41 -0800 >>>>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> We should bring our Leicas and Fuji's to the burning and then compare >>>>>> prints!! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bob Adler >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 10:39 AM, Nathan Wajsman <photo at >>>>>>> frozenlight.eu> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You are a heretic, to be burned at the stake. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>>>> Nathan (who owns an M8 and an X100) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Nathan Wajsman >>>>>>>> Alicante, Spain >>>>>>>> http://www.frozenlight.eu >>>>>>>> http://www.greatpix.eu >>>>>>>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >>>>>>>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> YNWA >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 11, 2012, at 7:24 PM, jon.streeter wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is this why X100 images compare favorably with those from digital M >>>>>> when >>>>>>>>> seen on line, or is it because images viewed on line really can't >>>>>>>>> be >>>>>> seen in >>>>>>>>> enough detail to-be judged? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Sent from my Verizon Wireless Phone >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ----- Reply message ----- >>>>>>>>> From: "Aram Langhans" <leica_r8 at hotmail.com> >>>>>>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>>>>>> Subject: [Leica] Review of Fuji's new X-E1 with zoom lens. >>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, Nov 11, 2012 10:12 am >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark. Back in film days, the Leica quality was always with the >>> lens. >>>>>> All >>>>>>>>> cameras could shoot the same film and vary the exposure the same >>> way. >>>>>> The >>>>>>>>> lenses made the difference. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now, with digital, there is one more variable between cameras. The >>>>>> sensor >>>>>>>>> and firmware replace the universally available film. Leica has to >>> get >>>>>> that >>>>>>>>> part at least as good as the competition for the lenses to make the >>>>>>>>> difference again. Hope they can do it with the M and CMOS. They >>> are >>>>>>>>> competing with the big boys who have big bucks and lots of years of >>>>>>>>> experience. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Aram >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> On 11 Nov, 2012, at 00:47, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I don't think any of them will really come close though. >>>>>>>>>>> They'll be smaller and lighter then an M. But the image quality >>> will >>>>>> of >> >>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>> M will be plainly visible. >>>>>>>>>>> Glaringly visible up from an APS- C camera. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Mark William Rabiner >>>>>>>>>>> Photography >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more >>> information >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information