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Subject: [Leica] Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?
From: liangjiyang at gmail.com (Kay Yang)
Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2012 22:38:10 -0700
References: <CALCsb0HEhEc6X-G1f4xJC3R077pXYw4L3_D8dRp+YMSxh+UxFw@mail.gmail.com> <CBA7E8A0.11FC6%chris@chriscrawfordphoto.com>

The idea that, oh we should protest non-violently and cause changes is just
bs that the people who rule this country came up to keep their power. I am
not a history expert but I do not recall any revolution in anywhere in
history where violence was not at least partially involved.



On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:24 PM, Chris Crawford <
chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:

> People won't take the jobs because they pay starvation wages. I don't
> blame them, I won't work for that little either. When people willingly
> accept shit jobs, they cause immense damage to the entire economy of the
> nation by encouraging employers to pay less and less. Its a myth anyway
> that fruit goes unpicked for lack of white workers. They get poor Mexicans
> to do it, and as a Hispano-American (part of my family came from Spain), I
> find it offensive that my fellow Hispanics are ruthlessly exploited so
> that middle class Americans can pay a few dollars less for fruit.
>
> People with your attitude need to study history. Remember what happened in
> Russia in 1917 or in China in 1949, or Cuba in 1959? The poor got tired of
> being spit on, and decided to cut some throats. I never thought I'd see
> the United States become the kind of place where that could happen, but
> with our ruling class now determined to reduce the population to third
> world poverty, and plenty of people like you cheering it on, I suspect
> that in my lifetime I'm going to see that kind of violence in my country,
> and I'm not happy about it. YOU are the problem, and I agree with Richard,
> it sickens me to see this attitude. I fear for the future my son will
> inherit. The present is bad enough for many people.
>
> --
> Chris Crawford (in my last semester as a grad student in History at
> Indiana University)
> Fine Art Photography
> Fort Wayne, Indiana
> 260-437-8990
>
> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
>
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>
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>
>
>
>
> On 4/9/12 1:12 AM, "Kay Yang" <liangjiyang at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >I give another example.
> >
> >I read that a lot of ripe fruits are left unpicked because no one (white
> >in
> >particular) in those places is willing to take the job. Rather, they sit
> >at
> >home and complain why the gov doesn't extend their jobless benefits.
> >
> >
> >On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:09 PM, Richard Man
> ><richard at richardmanphoto.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Speaking like a damned privileged class. This sickens me.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 10:01 PM, Kay Yang <liangjiyang at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> > There are all kinds of jobs that have been eliminated in the past. So
> >> while
> >> > it sucks that most photographers are no longer worth as much as they
> >>used
> >> > to be, we should just move on and accept this change. There are all
> >>kinds
> >> > of jobs out there that are unfilled because there are no matching
> >> > candidates. So I don't understand why people don't just learn some new
> >> > skills and grab those jobs.
> >> >
> >> > On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 9:54 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj
> >><jayanand at gmail.com
> >> > >wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > Whatever may be the reason and justification, I agree 100% with Kay
> >> Yang
> >> > > from an economic and investment point of view. There are much less
> >> > > expensive cameras that a full fledged working photographer can use
> >>to
> >> get
> >> > > results that are equally acceptable in the marketplace.
> >> > > Cheers
> >> > > Jayanand
> >> > > Cheers
> >> > > Jayanand
> >> > >
> >> > > On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Chris Crawford <
> >> > > chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > > Phil bought the camera in better times; like most Americans, this
> >> > economy
> >> > > > has made making a living hard in recent years. I've had to sell
> >>gear
> >> to
> >> > > > pay bills too. He is a working professional photographer, not a
> >>rich
> >> > man
> >> > > > playing with Leicas because they're expensive toys. I think it
> >>sucks
> >> he
> >> > > > has to sell them and it sucks that real photographers really
> >>cannot
> >> > > afford
> >> > > > this stuff anymore.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > --
> >> > > > Chris Crawford
> >> > > > Fine Art Photography
> >> > > > Fort Wayne, Indiana
> >> > > > 260-437-8990
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My portfolio
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com  My latest work!
> >> > > >
> >> > > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798
> >> > > > Become a fan on Facebook
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On 4/9/12 12:27 AM, "Kay Yang" <liangjiyang at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > >If you need that extra few thousands to survive, you probably
> >> > shouldn't
> >> > > be
> >> > > > >shooting with a Leica M in the first place.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >On Sun, Apr 8, 2012 at 7:03 PM, Phil Forrest
> >> > > > ><photo.forrest at earthlink.net>wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > >> I actually might.
> >> > > > >> The M8 is a fantastic camera. I still have a bunch of UV/IR
> >> > filters. I
> >> > > > >> have an M9 and could definitely use the extra few thousand to
> >>live
> >> > off
> >> > > > >> of.
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> Phil Forrest
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> On Sun, 8 Apr 2012 11:07:32 -0400
> >> > > > >> Vick Ko <vick.ko at sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >> > > > >>
> >> > > > >> > Would you trade your M9 to go back to an M8?
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > Factors:
> >> > > > >> > - M9 is still $5K to $6, and will start going down its
> >> devaluation
> >> > > > >> > curve
> >> > > > >> > - M8 is likely at the bottom of its devaluation curve, with
> >>mint
> >> > > > >> > units at $2.5K
> >> > > > >> > - M8 is still a darned fine camera, and I still have a whack
> >>of
> >> > > UV/IR
> >> > > > >> > filters
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > Has anyone gone from M9 back to an M8? What were your
> >>reasons?
> >> > > > >> >
> >> > > > >> > Vick
> >> > > > >> >
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> >> > > > >> philforrest.wordpress.com
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> >> > > > >>
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> >>
> >> --
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> >>
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