Archived posting to the Leica Users Group, 2012/03/04
[Author Prev] [Author Next] [Thread Prev] [Thread Next] [Author Index] [Topic Index] [Home] [Search]If you're only using your car to go to church on Sunday and Wal-Mart on Tuesday how good does it have to be? This is a metaphore. A deep one. -- Mark R. http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/winterdays/ > From: Chris Crawford <chris at chriscrawfordphoto.com> > Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Date: Mon, 05 Mar 2012 00:29:10 -0500 > To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org> > Subject: Re: [Leica] S2 vs. 645D > > American-made small cars really are pieces of shit. They ride rough, > banging the heck out of the driver and passengers if you hit a bump, which > is uncomfortable for anyone, but especially for frail old women. They're > also unsafe if you get in a wreck with someone in a truck or SUV, and they > tend to be poorly made, low quality cars. > > There's a myth that many believe that all American cars are crap. That's > not true, larger American cars are well made, reliable, comfortable cars. > I've owned several midsize and fullsize GM and Ford cars, and none had any > reliability problems, despite my abuse of them. They were good cars. My > grandma took good care of her Escort, and it was a junker. My sister has > had a couple of small GM cars and they were junk too. > > -- > Chris Crawford > Fine Art Photography > Fort Wayne, Indiana > 260-437-8990 > > http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio > > http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! > > http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 > Become a fan on Facebook > > > > On 3/5/12 12:22 AM, "Nathan Wajsman" <photo at frozenlight.eu> wrote: > >> Which begs the question, why does an old lady need a big car? >> >> Nathan Wajsman >> Alicante, Spain >> http://www.frozenlight.eu >> http://www.greatpix.eu >> http://www.nathanfoto.com >> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws >> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/ >> >> >> YNWA >> >> >> >> On Mar 4, 2012, at 11:57 PM, Chris Crawford wrote: >> >>> In 2006, my grandmother bought a new car. She had a 1987 Ford Escort >>> that >>> she had bought new. She has money but is tightfisted, so when she bought >>> the Escort, she went to the local Ford dealer and said she wanted the >>> cheapest new car on the lot. Then she paid cash for it. >>> >>> She hated that Escort the entire time she had it. It was a little >>> tin-can >>> shitbox that rode rough, had no engine power, was claustrophobically >>> small >>> inside, and God help you if you get in a wreck with someone driving a >>> big >>> car! She bitched about that Escort the whole time she had it, and when >>> she >>> replaced it in 2006, she swore she was going to buy a nicer car. >>> >>> She didn't want to spend too much though. She looked at the Ford Focus, >>> the successor to the Escort and a better built car, though still a >>> crappy >>> econo-tincan, and she looked at a Taurus, a nice midsize car. The Taurus >>> was $3000 more than the Focus. That was just $3000 too much and the old >>> cheapskate bought the Focus, once again paying the full cost of the >>> brand-new car in cash. >>> >>> My grandma has done nothing but BITCH incessantly to everyone who will >>> listen about what a piece of shit her car is, and how much she hates it >>> because its too small, rides rough, has no power, and she feels unsafe >>> in >>> it. Sound familiar? Yeah, same complaints she had about her last new >>> car, >>> the 87 Escort. >>> >>> Seriously, if you're already spending $10+ thousand, a couple thousand >>> more for a better camera is worth it. >>> >>> >>> Lesson: Spend the money and get the right camera. >>> >>> -- >>> Chris Crawford >>> Fine Art Photography >>> Fort Wayne, Indiana >>> 260-437-8990 >>> >>> http://www.chriscrawfordphoto.com My portfolio >>> >>> http://blog.chriscrawfordphoto.com My latest work! >>> >>> http://www.facebook.com/pages/Christopher-Crawford/48229272798 >>> Become a fan on Facebook >>> >>> >>> >>> On 3/4/12 4:28 PM, "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> wrote: >>> >>>> That way of thinking leads to madness! >>>> >>>> $13K for H4D-31, but hey >>>> $13K for a P40+, and "only" $5K more to get an Alpa and a good lens! >>>> But hey, >>>> $18K, may as well pay another $4K for the S2 body and what's another >>>> $4K >>>> for a lens? >>>> >>>> But wait... $26K? You can get a P65+ and another $5K for an Alpa with a >>>> good lens! >>>> $31K? Chump change. Now you can get a S2P setup! >>>> >>>> Or wait, $31K + $8K gets you the ULTIMATE IQ180. Who doesn't want THAT? >>>> Another $15K gets you the ultimate ultimate Alpa with 3 lens setup. >>>> >>>> So now we are looking at $52K. >>>> >>>> All because $13K is just $2K more than $11K. >>>> >>>> AND NOT a single photo has been taken. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 4, 2012 at 1:10 PM, <grduprey at mchsi.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> If I was going to spend $11K on a digital MF camera I would spend >>>>> another >>>>> $2k and get the Hasselblad H4D-31. >>>>> >>>>> Gene >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Richard Man" <richard at richardmanphoto.com> >>>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, March 3, 2012 11:26:29 PM GMT -06:00 US/Canada Central >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] S2 vs. 645D >>>>> >>>>> The genesis of the camera seems to be that Pentax finally finished it >>>>> so >>>>> that it can make the company more appealing to Hoya, but then it got >>>>> wildly >>>>> popular (well, wildly is a relative term in medium format world). Now >>>>> another owner later, they are certainly taking their time releasing >>>>> new >>>>> lens. There is one wide lens already: 25mm which is even wider than >>>>> the >>>>> new >>>>> Leica S2 35mm but one will have to make do with the older 645 or 6x7 >>>>> lens >>>>> in the mean time. The performance varies so you may have to try >>>>> several >>>>> lens to get one that performs well, but they are dirt cheap though, >>>>> relatively speaking. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, Mar 3, 2012 at 9:12 PM, John McMaster <john at >>>>> chiaroscuro.co.nz >>>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Pentax don't seem to be rushing out new/wider lenses for it, not sure >>>>>> (either way) of the quality of the lenses from the film days. >>>>>> >>>>>> john >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> If I can finagled $11K, I'd buy the Pentax 645D in a heartbeat. \ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Leica Users Group. >>>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Leica Users Group. >>>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Leica Users Group. >>> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Leica Users Group. >> See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information > > > > _______________________________________________ > Leica Users Group. > See http://leica-users.org/mailman/listinfo/lug for more information