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Subject: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
From: jayanand at gmail.com (Jayanand Govindaraj)
Date: Wed, 14 Dec 2011 10:03:32 +0530
References: <CB0CFE03.17A98%mark@rabinergroup.com> <CB0D008C.17A9F%mark@rabinergroup.com> <CAH1UNJ3ix4pXkgW12nXZxCZ6nXzjhs6OQeLEX5s0QbfWPfpDPA@mail.gmail.com> <A51ECE3D-0FD4-4FB6-B9FC-BE478B7A965B@gmail.com>

Steve,
Yes. The AF-S Nikkor 24-120 f4G ED VR, to give it its catalogue monicker,
is a soft lens with quite a bit of distortion at both ends. I bought it on
specs without trying it out, which I normally never do, which was an
unforced error if ever there was one. It is a lens that gives convenience
at the cost of optical quality, a bad trade off. IMHO, the older one (AF-S
24-85 f3.5-4.5G) is lighter, more compact, less expensive and better
performing, albeit in a narrower zoom range. Both have AFS, and 'G' type
lenses, but the older lens does not have VR, which I have not found to be a
material disadvantage in this zoom range. It is going to stay on my D700 as
my walk around, standard zoom lens.
Cheers
Jayanand

On Wed, Dec 14, 2011 at 9:32 AM, Steve Barbour <steve.barbour at 
gmail.com>wrote:

>
> On Dec 13, 2011, at 7:56 PM, Jayanand Govindaraj wrote:
>
> > Mark,
> > I find the old 24-85 f3.5 - 4.5G lens to be superior in every way. Buying
> > the latest version of the 24-120 (the f4 one)
>
>
> is this the identical VR lens that Mark speaks of?
>
> Steve
>
>
> > was a big mistake - I am
> > going to advertise and sell it this weekend.
> > Cheers
> > Jayanand
> >
> > On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 11:45 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com
> >wrote:
> >
> >> I check B&H and find that they sell a "kit" Nikon D700 SLR Digital
> Camera
> >> Kit with 24-120mm VR Lens for $3,996.90 (and you'd think you'd have to
> pay
> >> Four Grand for such a combo)
> >> This is a lens I'd kill for.  The pix I'd do with one would take no
> >> prisoners. I'd never sleep.
> >> The lens itself cost thirteen  hundred bucks and uses a 77mm filter.
> >> Not real Leica like. But will do in the interim.
> >>
> >> And faster than a measly 700 millions miles an hour too.
> >> If that's as fast as I could ever go I'd get a tune up!
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mark R.
> >> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/
> >>
> >>
> >>> From: Mark William Rabiner <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> >>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 13:05:07 -0500
> >>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
> >>>
> >>> Mine too.
> >>> --
> >>> Mark R.
> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/onthisAutumnday/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Gene duprey <grduprey at mchsi.com>
> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2011 11:23:20 -0600 (CST)
> >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
> >>>>
> >>>> My D700 was lens free (No lens)
> >>>
> >>> Gene
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From:
> >>>> "philippe.amard" <philippe.amard at sfr.fr>
> >>> To: "Leica Users Group"
> >>>> <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 12:32:09 AM GMT -06:00
> >>>> US/Canada Central
> >>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
> >>>
> >>> Le 13 d?c.
> >>>> 11 ? 01:36, Mark Rabiner a ?crit :
> >>>
> >>>> That's a perk on the nikon vs. canon
> >>>> lenses. Their kit glass really
> >>>> has
> >>>> great specs. As long as you don't
> >>>> bang them going through a door out
> >>>> of
> >>>> whack. They look embarrassing but
> >>>> they make very good images. Though
> >>>> I've
> >>>> not used one in over a year
> >>>> there is not kit glass for full frame.
> >>>
> >>> I bought my D700 with the infamous
> >>>> -free- 24-10 ; package by Nikon, Mark
> >>> different markets I guess
> >>> Philippe
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> I
> >>>> was shooting this thing on P so it was wide open which was 5.6 at
> >>>> 20mm
> >>>>
> >>>> which means everything front to back is sharp as hell. I could not
> >>>> even
> >>>>
> >>>> believe it. That's also an advantage to shooting cropped. Its ten
> >>>> times
> >>>>
> >>>> harder for me to get it all with my 24-85 full frame glass which in
> >>>>
> >>>> comparison weights a ton.
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Mark R.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> From: Jim Nichols
> >>>> <jhnichols at lighttube.net>
> >>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group
> >>>> <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 13:52:05 -0600
> >>>>> To: Leica
> >>>> Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's
> >>>> window
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Very nicely captured, Mark.  Nice to find a gem among the bargain
> >>>>
> >>>>> lenses.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Jim Nichols
> >>>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
> >>>>> ----- Original Message
> >>>> -----
> >>>>> From: "Mark Rabiner" <mark at rabinergroup.com>
> >>>>> To: "Leica Users
> >>>> Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:01 PM
> >>>>>
> >>>> Subject: [Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I was going over
> >>>> window's I'd shot Dec 12 2008 at Bergdorf's that
> >>>>>> night and
> >>>>>> was
> >>>> amazed by the detail and high quality so I checked the
> >>>>>> metadata to
> >>>> see
> >>>>>> which of my real money Nikon glass I'd shot it with. The 28 1.4 or
> >>>>
> >>>>>> perhaps
> >>>>>> 14 2.8.
> >>>>>> http://tinyurl.com/c4bmnog
> >>>>>> It turned out the
> >>>> be the lowly 99 dollar special 18.0-55.0 mm f/
> >>>>>> 3.5-5.6 DX
> >>>>>> non VR
> >>>> which you get when you click the sort  for cheaper at top
> >>>>>> bottom on
> >>>>>>
> >>>> the Adorama or B&H sites. Maybe Calumet.
> >>>>>> So I left it at a much  higher
> >>>> rez than 1200 pixels on the long
> >>>>>> end so you
> >>>>>> can really see it when
> >>>> you click the zoom in button on the LUG
> >>>>>> gallery.
> >>>>>> The iso was 400 so
> >>>> there really was a lot of light in these
> >>>>>> window. And it
> >>>>>> makes for
> >>>> some real quality images.
> >>>>>> The windows at Bergdorf's  which are the best
> >>>> I've ever seen
> >>>>>> anywhere have
> >>>>>> not been as good the past three of
> >>>> years.   09 and 10 and '11.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> Mark R.
> >>>>>>
> >>>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
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Replies: Reply from steve.barbour at gmail.com (Steve Barbour) ([Leica] High Rez Bergdorf's window)
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