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Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed
From: leowesson at gmail.com (Leowesson)
Date: Wed, 7 Dec 2011 13:46:36 -0600
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Jim,

You can set up outlook express to check your Gmail.

Leo Wesson
www.leowesson.com

On Dec 7, 2011, at 13:37, "Jim Nichols" <jhnichols at lighttube.net> wrote:

> Hi Steve,
> 
> Brian set me up sometime ago to post from either my usual address or my 
> gmail address.  Last evening, I was attempting to change my subscriber 
> address to my gmail address, which also required me to re-enable my 
> subscription, which was disabled because of the large number of bounces. 
> When I submitted this change, which requires Brian's approval, LUG mail 
> began to appear at my normal address.
> 
> So, I am caught in the midst of a change, which the system won't allow me 
> to reverse, and Brian is out of touch.  However, everything is functioning.
> 
> I know this doesn't answer your question about gmail.  Outlook Express is 
> much more flexible than gmail, so I prefer to stick with it if possible.
> 
> Jim Nichols
> Tullahoma, TN USA
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Barbour" <steve.barbour at 
> gmail.com>
> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people 
> auto-unsubscribed
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Dec 7, 2011, at 11:19 AM, Jim Nichols wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Bill,
>>> 
>>> It is very difficult for the user to determine where the blocking is 
>>> being done.  Since I know who furnishes spam blocking for my local ISP, 
>>> I suspect that they are the culprits, but suspecting and knowing are two 
>>> different things.  Even the support people at my local ISP have 
>>> difficulty with this. I furnished them a printout of the full header on 
>>> a typical message from the LUG to me, and they worked with support folks 
>>> further up the line.  As of this morning, they had no feedback, but the 
>>> problem disappeared yesterday afternoon.
>>> 
>>> Now I am trying to find out whether the correction resulted from my 
>>> emails to Carrierzone, or from the efforts of my ISP.  They may never 
>>> admit there was a problem.
>>> 
>>> All told, a pretty weak case for litigation.
>> 
>> 
>> not sure is this may provide a solution to this issue,  how about 
>> subscribing with a gmail address ? Does that change anything?
>> 
>> 
>> Steve
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Jim Nichols
>>> Tullahoma, TN USA
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Pearce" <billcpearce at cox.net>
>>> To: "Leica Users Group" <lug at leica-users.org>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 1:08 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs,some people 
>>> auto-unsubscribed
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Boys, this is America! Litigation is always in order!
>>>> 
>>>> Bill Pearce
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Willman
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 07, 2011 12:43 PM
>>>> To: Leica Users Group
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people 
>>>> auto-unsubscribed
>>>> 
>>>> I wonder if such behavoir (by van Riel) constitutes defamation, and if 
>>>> litigation (or the threat thereof) might be of use.
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org 
>>>> [mailto:lug-bounces+bryanwi=bryanwi.com at leica-users.org] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Brian Reid
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 06, 2011 4:07 PM
>>>> To: lug at leica-users.org
>>>> Subject: [Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people 
>>>> auto-unsubscribed
>>>> 
>>>> A bunch of LUG subscribers have been auto-unsubscribed because of a lazy
>>>> ideologue in Merrimack New Hampshire named Rik van Riel. Rik believes 
>>>> that he
>>>> has the only solution to the spam detection problem, and unfortunately 
>>>> a few
>>>> ISPs believe him.  Responsible ISPs use dozens upon dozens of factors to
>>>> classify something as spam. Since van Riel doesn't charge for his 
>>>> spam-finding
>>>> service, cheapo ISPs will sometimes use it and only it. When van Riel's 
>>>> spam
>>>> detectors make a mistake (which he, of course, believes is not 
>>>> possible) then
>>>> mail stops getting delivered to the customers of the ISPs that depend 
>>>> on his
>>>> free service.
>>>> 
>>>> If you are one of the people whose LUG subscription went away, you can 
>>>> think
>>>> bad thoughts about Rik van Riel. Ideologues like him rarely change their
>>>> position as a result of argument from other people, so there is no point
>>>> trying to yell at him or reason with him. In a certain sense the real 
>>>> villains
>>>> are the owners of the ISPs that are too cheap to buy real commercial
>>>> spam-blocking service, which requires human participation and is 
>>>> therefore not
>>>> free.
>>>> 
>>>> The only viable long-term solution to false-positive spam nightmares is 
>>>> to
>>>> find a responsible ISP. Cheapo ISPs are going to use cheapo spam-control
>>>> companies, who invariably lock onto free services run by ideologues.
>>>> 
>>>> If you are one of the victims, you of course aren't getting this email, 
>>>> but
>>>> you might see it on the website or you might get a copy forwarded from a
>>>> friend.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Replies: Reply from jhnichols at lighttube.net (Jim Nichols) ([Leica] LUG mail being blocked by bad ISPs, some people auto-unsubscribed)
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