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Subject: [Leica] How low does pigment go?
From: richard at richardmanphoto.com (Richard Man)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2011 00:57:28 -0700
References: <CACE6C86.15FCA%mark@rabinergroup.com> <CACE6D15.15FCE%mark@rabinergroup.com>

The difference between a killer printer, for example, Charles Cramer, Ctein,
etc. and a "oh I am a photographer and also print my stuff" like myself, is
night and day. Same base image, outrageously different output.

On Wed, Oct 26, 2011 at 11:06 PM, Mark Rabiner <mark at 
rabinergroup.com>wrote:

> Correction (white out)
> The whole ideal of "craft" or how good a printer he might be was NOT in the
> equation.
>
>
> > "Appropriately" for WHAT is the center of the issue and someone who's
> > showing their prints to a gallery owner or having a show in that gallery
> is
> > not going to go to Costco to have their prints done. The very idea of it
> is
> > comical. Its like a one liner.
> > Yes the way many people print on their printers now rivals machine prints
> > with the profiles.
> > Digital does change a few things.
> > I was at Calumet this week and a guy was showing his prints off this
> laptop
> > to the head guy they have a large gallery upstairs. It looked like he'd
> > gotten the show and the basis of his jpegs on his laptop and was being
> > explained the details of publicity and so on.
> > The whole ideal of "craft" or how good a printer he might be was in the
> > equation. That's because we're all using the same profiles and
> > Spiders I guess.
> > I think there are a few people out there who just like they'd done in the
> > darkroom go back and forth with their prints critically not already
> working
> > on the next one before the previous one is out of the machine.
> > I used to take more responsibly for Xerox copies than people do now with
> > their inkjets.
> > There was a "sharpness" button on the schools Xerox. You had to decide if
> > you were going to press it or not.  And it made a big difference and
> you'd
> > not want to press it if it didn't need it.
> > --
> > Mark R.
> > http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >
> >
> >> From: Adam Bridge <abridge at mac.com>
> >> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2011 18:38:07 -0700
> >> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >> Subject: Re: [Leica] How low does pigment go?
> >>
> >> Well, don't be so snarky about Costco, Mark. Yeah, they're big and so
> they
> >> can't do anything good.
> >>
> >> BUT, Costco does color-profile and you can go on-line to find your local
> >> store
> >> and determine which printing technologies they offer and which papers so
> you
> >> can prepare your images appropriately.
> >>
> >> Here's a link:
> >>
> >> <http://www.drycreekphoto.com/icc/>
> >>
> >> I recently went to an exhibition at the US Bicycle Hall of Fame where
> all the
> >> images were printed by (gasp) Costco . . . and they looked damn good. I
> was
> >> quite surprised when I learned where they were printed.
> >>
> >> Adam
> >>
> >> On Oct 25, 2011, at 8:31 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
> >>
> >>> Adorama is a camera store.
> >>> Costco is a mega store or some kind.
> >>>
> >>> If the yellow pages still existed they'd not be in the same section
> with
> >>> Custom Printers. Those are people who work in a small place that does
> mainly
> >>> that. Often just one person who does mainly that.
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Mark R.
> >>> http://gallery.leica-users.org/v/lugalrabs/
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> From: Richard Man <richard at richardmanphoto.com>
> >>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2011 19:03:40 -0700
> >>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] How low does pigment go?
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, I should have said, "..like Adorama or other similar outfit."
> Heck, I
> >>>> know some people who rely on Costco!!!
> >>>>
> >>>> On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Sonny Carter <sonc.hegr at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Shutterfly does a pretty nice job too.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> // richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>
> >>>>
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-- 
// richard <http://www.richardmanphoto.com>


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