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Subject: [Leica] LUG Digest, Vol 48, Issue 204
From: photo at frozenlight.eu (Nathan Wajsman)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:15:21 +0200
References: <CA6CEF1E.13485%mark@rabinergroup.com>

Whatever. You just do not seem to accept that there are many other aspects 
of quality than the size of the sensor and that people may have different 
preferences than yours. I recently decided that I wanted a DSLR for a 
variety of reasons. Since I did not own any Leica R or any other SLR lenses, 
I could buy whatever I wanted (and yes, a full-frame DSLR was within my 
budget). In the end I CHOSE the Pentax K5 with its APS-C sensor and I could 
not be more pleased.

Cheers,
Nathan

Nathan Wajsman
Alicante, Spain
http://www.frozenlight.eu
http://www.greatpix.eu
http://www.nathanfoto.com
PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/


YNWA











On Aug 14, 2011, at 9:18 AM, Mark Rabiner wrote:

> Well that's how I felt in the days of film. I like most photographers I 
> knew
> used a 24x36mm format camera when that was the best for the job. But when I
> needed medium format I used that and when I needed large format sheet film 
> I
> used that.
> Now that its digital I also anticipate getting when I can into medium 
> format
> as that level of quality is for sure much fantastic a step up and and worth
> it. Two things are slowing me down. The extreme cost. And the fact that a
> full frame DSLR can do so much. From the very beginning people were saying
> that a full frame DSLR replaced medium format. I never bought that opinion.
> Bu they do have a point. Its way more capable than film SLR's of the 35mm
> variety. You feel less like you need a Hasselblad when you are shooting a
> full frame DSLR. You feel like there's nothing much you can't shoot and
> shoot well when you're shooting a full frame DSLR. Or an M9 I'm sure.
> This is what irks me when people with Leica R glass go out and by an APS-C
> format camera and act as if its "personal preference".
> Its not that cropped format shooting is so bad its that full frame  
> shooting
> is so good.
> -- 
> Mark R.
> 
> 
> 
>> From: Nathan Wajsman <photo at frozenlight.eu>
>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 08:08:11 +0200
>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG Digest, Vol 48, Issue 204
>> 
>> Since we now know from you that being a "real photographer" is a function 
>> of
>> the equipment one has, I cannot imagine any real photographer shooting 
>> that
>> wimpy little 24x36mm format any longer.
>> 
>> Nathan Wajsman
>> Alicante, Spain
>> http://www.frozenlight.eu
>> http://www.greatpix.eu
>> http://www.nathanfoto.com
>> PICTURE OF THE WEEK: http://www.fotocycle.dk/paws
>> Blog: http://nathansmusings.wordpress.com/
>> 
>> 
>> YNWA
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> On Aug 13, 2011, at 10:52 PM, Mark Rabiner wrote:
>> 
>>> You are putting gorgeous Leica R glass on a cheap cropped camera 
>>> marketed to
>>> amateurs and calling it "personal choice".  I think of something else to
>>> call it. One can do any damned dumb thing and file it under "personal
>>> choice".
>>> 
>>> - putting Leica glass designed for full frame on a cropped camera is a 
>>> real
>>> enigma especially the Leica glass cost what it cost and they tend to be 
>>> in
>>> relation to Canon/Nikon - bloated; the reason being they are taking great
>>> steps to make sure they are excellent way out to the edges.
>>> 
>>> If you have great Leica R glass you want to put to good use for sure wait
>>> for the extra pay checks or whatever to come in and get a full frame 
>>> camera.
>>> Preferably a D700 or D3.
>>> Putting them on a cropped camera at this point is nothing short of
>>> exasperating.
>>> -- 
>>> Mark R.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> From: Aram Langhans <leicar at q.com>
>>>> Reply-To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:18:13 -0700
>>>> To: Leica Users Group <lug at leica-users.org>
>>>> Subject: Re: [Leica] LUG Digest, Vol 48, Issue 204
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Peter.  I bought the D7000 in November and have loved it.  It was
>>>> replacing a Canon XTi.  As you have noted, the viewfinder is not as 
>>>> good as
>>>> a D700, but it is way better than all the other cropped cameras I have 
>>>> seen,
>>>> except maybe the Canon 7D (equal).  I have converted a few Leica R 
>>>> lenses to
>>>> Nikon mount and they work well. My biggest concern was the viewfinder 
>>>> of my
>>>> old Rebel, but the D7000 viewfinder is very usable for my 61 year old 
>>>> eyes.
>>>> 
>>>> I opted for it rather than the D700 mainly for size and weight.  I have 
>>>> no
>>>> doubt that the D700 is a better body, but it was not that much better 
>>>> that
>>>> size/weight did not win out hand down with the D7000.  I can easily get
>>>> usable photos at ISO 1600.  Not needed to go any higher yet, so I am not
>>>> sure about 3200.  Easy button placement compared to my Rebel.   If you 
>>>> are
>>>> really into telephoto shots (don't think you are), then the crop factor
>>>> helps a lot.  Less weighty lenses and less expensive lenses, and using 
>>>> the
>>>> "sweet spot" of the sensor.  Wide angle is another issue, but solvable. 
>>>>  I
>>>> did not have any real wide Leica glass, so I have opted for Nikon glass 
>>>> to
>>>> get me wide.
>>>> 
>>>> I think Marty sums it up nicely.  Personal choice based on the 
>>>> advantages of
>>>> each for your shooting style.  Quality, I don't think you can go wrong 
>>>> with
>>>> either.
>>>> 
>>>> Aram
>>>> 
>> 
>> 
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